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I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
What movies do you like that aren't political? I'm curious.
The new Fantastic Four movie didn’t have any political messaging in it that I could discern.
Seems political to me.
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That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn't just wedged in. It's was the whole point of the movie.
No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.
God forbid Superman ever get involved in politics, like Smashing the KKK or warning kids about landmines.
And you can have more then one plot device in a movie. I'm actually tankful that the whole "defined by choices, not by birth" wasn't the only plot line because I've seen that one countless times by now. "Kindness is punk" is a counter cultural idea by now and was refreshing to see.
So, a character who is meant to embody protecting peace, justice, and freedom for all for as long as he has existed is now too political for advocating peace, justice, and freedom for all?
How dare they impose their politics on such a blank and centrist slate.
No, I just don’t like political messaging in my superhero flicks. You’re misunderstanding my point (possibly intentionally, idk, it’s really not that complicated).
I understand your point, you just don’t understand how character writing works. Removing the politics of a character is bad writing that panders to bad taste.
No, you don’t understand my point, because you think I’m talking about Superman’s “politics.” I’m talking about James Gunn’s politics and him using Superman as a mouthpiece for them. Superman doesn’t have politics in the sense I’m talking about. He’s just on the side of freedom, peace, and good. Classic moral tropes that virtually everyone supports, because without context, they’re just ideals. When you contextualize them with modern, real-world events though, they become political messaging, and that’s what I don’t like in a superhero movie.
The fuck do you think Superman is doing in the comics?
I can see you’re running out of juice, so I won’t press you further. Have a good night.
Answer the fucking question.
Nah, I don’t pander to pissants.
You’ve never read a Superman comic.
I’ve read plenty. You just don’t understand my criticisms of this film. Not my problem.
So, how is the plot of the movie any different from one of the comic stories? How do you feel they did it wrong? What part of ~~Sean~~ James Gunn’s politics do you take issue with in regards to how he portrayed Superman?
The part where he makes aspects of the story clearly allegorical to real-world events. Are you seriously debating that he’s doing this?
Edit: And it’s James Gunn. Sean Gunn is only in there for a cameo.
Are you seriously debating that comics don’t do that?
I don’t like it when comics do it either. What’s your point?
My point is that you do not have a point. You’re bitching that a film about comics does what comics do and portrayed a character as the source material portrays the character.
You’re crying about media that wasn’t made to pander to you specifically that was based on media that doesn’t pander to you specifically.
Go watch the Snyder films and quit your bitching.
No, you don’t understand my point, and that’s kind of sad, because my point isn’t that hard to grasp. I’m tired of explaining it though, so have a good night.
You’re a lot less complicated than you’d like to think on this subject. I understand your point, it’s just childish and invalid.