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I've been thinking about this amped up conservative rhetoric that liberals and leftists hate America. We all know that's BS. Right? Except it's not, and we should respond to it for what it is.

"I love an America I grew up in. I love an America I believe in, that I lived most of my life in. Now, the idea of America that you're fighting and "winning" for is killing that America I live in, that I love. So you're right. I hate what you imagine America to be... because it is trying to murder the America that I love. And I don't use the word "murder" lightly, and I apply it to you. And if that means to you that I hate America... then you're right! The America you believe in isn't lovable."

That's all.

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If it means diplomacy over war? Yep.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You are from a country that has been at war almost continuously for as long as anyone in it can remember.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Same as every other US citizen. Not ashamed of that either.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Not ashamed of that either.

The constant warfare? You should be.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks for your opinion. It doesn't affect mine.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

At the beginning of this conversation, I felt considerable empathy towards you. Every time you reply I feel it less. Maybe try imagining the lives of people who end up under the American boot, people outside your country are also human beings.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I do. That's why I fight against the evils my country inflicts on the world.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

You literally repeatedly stated how proud you are to have been part of the system that inflicted those evils

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"I'm not ashamed of being from a country that constantly starts wars by invading other nations and committing genocide directly or by proxy"

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So the complaint is that I was a soldier. Keep up.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No the complaint is that you were a soldier in a fascist genocidal army and are proud of it, plus not being ashamed of the fact your country is a ravenous genocidal warmongerer.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So you just hate America. Cool, bro.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah I hate white supremacy, capitalism and genocide. You clearly don't.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a paradox to hate white supremacist genocide in favor of American capitalism but somehow still being proud of serving the military that causes it.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm not really a big fan of capitalism. I used to think I was but it hasn't really worked out that way.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

If youre not a big fan of capitalism why are you proud of spreading its influence and helping fight for it

[–] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

You don't seem to have any capacity for shame

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Diplomacy is when you force Haiti to lower its minimum wage so your monied class can get even richer

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Fought against how we treat Haiti.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You fought as a soldier against your own government?

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Like with guns? No. I fought in ways that aren't going to get me dismissed as a loony because those are losing strategies.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Let's hear these winning strategies then.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Let know if you figure it out, mate.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your winning strategies won so hard that trump is president and your government shut down.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'm one person. If being one soldier in an army is power, so is being one vote in a country. If my vote didn't change anything, neither did my soldering.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Your vote didn't change anything because it was never meant to change anything fundamentally. Just some farce to keep the masses under the delusion that they can change things without collective mass mobilizations. A religious ritual that reaffirms faith in the american capitalist order. Just another cope.

You being a soldier did in fact help with the maintenance of a fascist army though, sorry.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We can vote, or we can murder one another. I chose the former.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mass movements aren't murder. Furthermore you already murder each other en masse so that's a moot point.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Well as I said, killing one another isn't something I support. Kinda feels like an internal issue, though, separate from everything else you've brought up. But while we're on the subject, I oppose the second amendment because it is used to defend the position that we must accept these murders.

[–] SuperNovaCouchGuy2@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

I think admitting fault and joining a leftist organization that opposed american genocide is different to mass murder.

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

killing one another isn't something I support.

You literally repeatedly say how proud you are to be part of the USA military. You clearly support killing

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Real "my girlfriend lives in Canada" ass answer

[–] brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

So, you didn't fight against it. You just quietly disapproved and then went back to serving the machine that was doing it