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[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 44 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If they were really after kids watching porn (or even porn in general) it would be technically somewhat simple to force ISPs to provide filters on their end as a subscription service. I'm pretty sure I've even heard that kind of services in the past. Make it even opt-out if you really want to.

That way ISPs would just ban everything from pornhub and others unless you spesifically want it allowed or even provide a portal where you could block reddit, twitter, tumblr or whatever you wish on your account. That kind of technology already exists and it's used on many corporate setups.

There's obviously ways around that, but there's no technical way to block every possible way to move bits between computers. Even if they would shut down the whole internet there's still ways to build mesh-networks or even buy USB-drives from a shady alley.

But as we all know, it's not about porn and not about children.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 24 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

You can't block porn completely without blocking VPNs. If you connect to a VPN that's all they can see. They can not see what you use the VPN for.

[–] jim3692@discuss.online 15 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

You can't block VPNs without blocking the entire internet. You can block known VPN services, but you can't prevent people from hosting their own.

Some known VPN protocols could be blocked, using introspection tools. However, this would just render corporate VPNs useless. VPN traffic is just bytes, and so is WebSockets. Good luck figuring out whether my HTTPS traffic is legitimate internet traffic, or masked VPN traffic.

[–] piecat@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Good news, we closed that pesky loophole by banning encryption without backdoors.

If they can't decode it, you better be ready to explain exactly what those bytes were!

[–] ragas@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Check out my cool new protocol that looks just like I am loading a webpage about cat facts, which is actually a hidden VPN that I use to secretly look at webpages about cat facts.

[–] Ugh@sh.itjust.works 2 points 53 minutes ago* (last edited 53 minutes ago)

You get me. You're my kind of person! ᓚᘏᗢ

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Even if they go that route, and frankly I think they would get lynched before we got to that point, they can't monitor every single connection. That just way too much traffic.

That's why China has a firewall, because that's the best option they can come up with because monitoring every Chinese persons data is an impossible task. Their only option would be to go North Korea route, and just close the internet but that would basically end their economy.

[–] IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz 19 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

VPN, Tor (and similar, like I2P), every imaginable P2P network, proxies, all non-http protocols (smtp, ftp, nntp, xmpp and other instant messengers and so on) can all transfer any kind of data, porn included. And a ton of other things. Heck, I'm quite sure there's a minecraft mod where you can assemble JPG-images out of the blocks and view them that way. And then you can use stuff like uuencode where you can use anything that can move plain text to transfer binary data.

There's no way to block all of that unless you shut the whole internet down. And even then you can still trade good old playboy-magazines with your friends. VPN in itself has very little to do with the actual problem, beyond that someone apparently noticed that their current "save-the-children" iteration had pretty large holes in it.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

Ban paper.

Kids could draw boobies on it.

[–] jjlinux@lemmy.zip 0 points 9 hours ago

Depends on the VPN

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social -1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

You can't block porn completely without blocking VPNs. If you connect to a VPN that's all they can see.

This makes it sound like VPNs can ONLY access porn. lol

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago