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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Capitalism does create the means by which institutionalized racism is sustained, yes. Part of those means are under the umbrella of cultural hegemony, a concept most associated with Gramsci. Language, the way we communicate, is a part of that. Using speech that isn't at the expense of marginalized groups helps break up parts of that cultural hegemony.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Again, the words only carry meaning insofar as you ascribe it to them. The n-word, other than its dark past, means nothing on the surface. The fact that only blacks are "allowed to use it" is proof enough of this point. The idea that blacks are incapable of themselves self-perpetuating racism by their own use of the word, but somehow white people 'can?' seems itself racist to me.

It's a needless social construct that should expose itself as such with the death of capitalism.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Words have meaning, and this meaning is decided culturally. What you're arguing is more akin to saying capitalism dying will also cause words to cease having meaning. Further, refusing to fight the cultural hegemony of the bourgeoisie and letting all language, art, and culture be shaped at their whim makes it more difficult to kill capitalism once and for all. If you join an org, you'll see this also in real life, the substitution of bourgeois structures and culture with proletarian structures and culture.

Language conveys certain data. Slurs and language that carries bigoted undertones help reinforce bourgeois culture and divide the working classes. We don't transcend this by telling people not to be offended, but by showing solidarity and refusing to use these same terms.

[–] GrammarPolice@lemmy.world -5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Words have meaning yes, but I'm opposing the 'objective meaning' that is assumed when a non-black person uses the n-word EVEN in a non-malicious manner. This is what I'm rejecting. I'm not suggesting that people should be free to level identity-based hate language towards groups, I'm saying that this idea shouldn't be applied mechanistically.

I'm also not saying that we should ignore the cultural hegemonic fight in the way we wouldn't transphobia or misogyny, but that language isn't necessarily always an expression of ideology. You can absolutely have language that isn't ideologically tied. This is why blacks can use the n-word without the perception of animosity that would come with a white person using it. This is because they directly challenged ideology and the language adapted in accordance. In fact, having certain words that are "off limits" ironically sustains working class divisions because it has failed to do away with social constructs invented by the bourgeoisie.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You're mistaking the fact that being more careful to not use bigoted language hasn't dismantled capitalism as meaning it sustains capitalism, but that doesn't follow. Having solidarity and empathy in how we use language is important for protecting marginalized communities and keeping bigots out. Again, if you join an org, you can better see this in practice.

The very fact that you acknowledge that words have meanings generally understood by the public should also help you see how using words with bigoted undertones helps perpetuate that bigotry.