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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is attempting to distance himself from the first U.S. airstrike on September 2 that targeted two shipwrecked men who had survived an earlier U.S. strike on a boat the Pentagon says was carrying drugs, without providing evidence

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[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Bullshit, whatever platform launched these missiles was likely a predator drone, helicopter or fighter jet. Any of these platforms have the capability to outrun, outmaneuver and encircle a powerboat easily. Categorically "fog of war" doesn't work here because there is no fog, there is just a military pointlessly murdering people like shooting fish in a barrel. The US military has the capability to read the writing on a tattoo off of a crew member at night on one of these boats from far enough away that the surveillance equipment wouldn't even be detected by the crew, the idea that a fog of war existed for the US military here is darkly hilarious and evil and if taken at face value is basically an admission of stunning incompetence that in my opinion demands legal action and jail time.

This excuse is equivalent to saying you aren't responsible for where all the bullets go when you shoot at a target on a shooting range because of the "fog of war" of target shooting.... No... you have to CHOOSE to fire every bullet and you have to CHOOSE not to pay attention to what you are shooting at. There should NEVER be fog of war when you are target shooting, period! Most gun owners would look at you like you had three heads if you were talking about target shooting with a rifle and remarked that you would casually fire in a direction without knowing if it was safe and passing off the comment with a shrug and a laugh saying "well how am I supposed to know where the bullets went???!?". Here it is so much worse, we are talking about using multi-million dollar military equipment to murder people in cold blood to "hopefully" start a bullshit war to cover for this administrations crimes and utter incompetence from top to bottom.

Maybe Hegseth is mistaking a "Fog Of War" for a crushing hangover from being constantly drunk?

[–] Muehe@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago

I had to go to a different source, but here is the actual quote:

During a Cabinet meeting at the White House, Hegseth said he did not see any survivors in the water, saying the vessel “exploded in fire, smoke, you can’t see anything. ... This is called the fog of war.”

So yeah, he thinks "fog of war" means literal fog...

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And this isn't a war? I mean, that's the biggest part. These are innocent fishing dudes, most of them.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Even if this was a war, which I agree it is absurd to claim there is any kind of war being threatened against the US here, this is still murder.

After a missile strike destroys a boat and leaves survivors clinging to burning wreckage, clearly neutralizing any possible threat as the missile strike victims are now in need of emergency rescue, it is a CLEARLY warcrime to leverage an overpowering military advantage to simply turn around and murder the survivors because... you can?

There is a logic and system of rules for what determines when lethal force is approved and necessary in most professional militaries, there certainly used to be in the US military although this administration is trying to destroy it as fast as possible with the hopes that it will make us some good reliable enemies and we will be dragged into another war that sufficiently distracts the US populace from how fucking stupid and incompetent these idiots are...

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely, all of this. What I'm trying to point out is that these are fucking warships going after these little fisherman boats who are most likely just fisherman. It's insane to begin with.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It is terrorism, there is no other word for it, it is arbitrary indiscriminate violence that is heavily propagandized to instill fear in others for fundamentally political and irrational aims.