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Yeah, let's be careful with spreading misinformation about Nazis. You can only defeat fascism with honestly and kindness.
Spreading lies muddies the water. If they prove that some of what's said about them is bullshit, then it invites questioning the veracity of the actual problems that we haven't made up. Oversaturation of information along with some unknown amount of lies makes people say fuck it, idk what to believe, and then they tune out.
BS. Spreading lies simply shows we don't respect them. Look how "JD Vance fucked a couch" story spread. Did any one question actual problems with JD because of that? Come on. It's not a debate club. You have exactly 0 people being on the face right now thinking "gee, I don't know what to think about Patel anymore. On one hand he's clearly incompetent but on the other some rumors about him were not verified". Just the fact that the rumors are there must piss them off and that's beautiful.
Also, people that tuned out will pay attention again when they can't afford food or are sent to a concentration camp by ICE. This is how you change their mind. Not by sharing facts with them.
Difference there being everyone knows that's a mockery and not genuinely intended to be true.
For the 'allegedly true' stuff that is actually realistic and realistically knowable but is on dubious grounds in actual facts, that can backfire without much upside.
Did any of the shit the right spreads ever backfire? Did "Hilary has a penis" backfire? Did pizzagate backfire? Did "Obama was born in Keyna" backfire? But yeah, if you say something untrue about Patel it will... what? Make some democrats switch sides?
The truth doesn't matter any more. Making fun of those people is the only way you can get to them right now. If you prefer to sit this one out that's fine.
I'd say the Pizzagate and birther movement did backfire to some extent, some moderates alienated by how ridiculous they were. Ultimately it wasn't enough to stave off the Trump presidency, but if not for Pizzagate and birther movement, I wouldn't have been surprised if Trump managed to even get the popular vote in 2016, for example. I didn't even recall the 'hilary has a penis' thing at all, so I can't speak to that.
Everything that "alienates moderates" also serves to rile up extremists. It worked perfectly for Trump. He rose to power spreading lies about immigrants and won elections by lying about the economy. I really don't understand how someone can still think he can be defeated with facts.
That's exactly how it works when the Nazis flood social media with nonsense. You just hav e to prove one thing wrong, that destroys their credibility forever and no one ever repeats what they say again.
Nazis don't believe in their own bullshit. They just like having excuses. But normal, everyday people who aren't paying much attention will see us spread bullshit and say "gee, I guess both sides really are the same" and decide to not get involved. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.
Hammer the facts.
Not speaking to this specific bit of information, but generally speaking when they give you just so much easily provable material to work with, it's just silly to go far into speculation over trivialities that actually distract from the big and real issues going on.