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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
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Ai has been in games for decades. No, not llm Ai. Enemy movement is a classic case of Ai. Hell chess has been running on Ai for years depending on your platform(yes you can play against other people in most cases but most cases also have a play against Ai mode)
What did they mean by Ai in the question? Better question, what did the responders think they meant?
Both the headline and the article made it clear that the survey was referring to generative AI — so the visible art slop that gives everything that nice shovelware look.
The survey in question is actually an ongoing project and there's a link to it in the article if you wanna share your own feelings.
Alright. That wasn't clear to me. I'm against slop as well. But that's not really what generative AI means. That term encompasses text-to-speech output as well. Like for fantasy NPC characters. Some of them use reinforcement leaning as well so the lines are a bit blurry there. We also got speech input in modern flight simulators, that's pretty much gen AI. And maybe procedurally generated maps or dynamically spawning mobs, depending on how exactly it's implemented. Or what I said, an LLM-driven spaceship computer. Fan-made translations for Japanese games often start out with machine translation... I'm against slop artwork as well. Or the weird things EA does like replace human playtesters with AI feedback on the prototypes. That's likely going to have the same effect AI has on other domains.
What you're missing is that nothing that we have is "AI" in the true sense of the term. LLMs, ChatGPT, etc. are not "AI," which is just an inaccurate buzzword being thrown around; they're still advanced autocomplete algorithms with no inherent self-motivation, or else their hallucination rate would be continually dwindling without their maintainers' help.
Yeah, you're right. I guess I disagree on some technicalities. I think they are AI and they even have a goal / motivation. And that is to mimic legible text. That's also why they hallucinate, because that text being accurate isn't what it's about. At least not directly. The term is certainly ill-defined. And the word "intelligence" in it is a ruse. Sadly it makes it more likely people anthropomorphize the thing, which the AI industry can monetize... I'm still fairly sure there's reinforcement-learning inside and a motivation / loss-function. It's just not the one people think it is... Maybe we need some better phrasing?
Btw, there's a very long interview with Richard Sutton on Youtube, going in detail about this very thing. Motivation and goals of LLMs and how it's not like traditional machine learning. I enjoyed that video, think he's right with a lot of his nuanced opinions. Spoiler Alert: He knows what he's talking about and doesn't really share the enthusiasm/hype towards LLMs.