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Ice obtains access to Israeli-made spyware that can hack phones and encrypted apps
(www.theguardian.com)
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You mean America. The rest of us are against this and have made policy moves against Israel.
Lip service, really.
No, policy moves. Sanctions. Freezing bank accounts. Banning arms sales. Don't buy into the anti-West propaganda.
Seriously dude, you think people are stupid? The last two years didn't exist?
I mean I've just learned from another poster that "their contributions represent less than 0.1% of Israel’s total arms imports" in the first place, so it's not like there was much power or influence we had over Israel.
They're backed by the most powerful nation on earth. That's all they need, they don't need the rest of the West.
Do you know about the dutch tradition of carving little iced alcohol (grain booze, the one they call genever or bols) into little balls and to suck on them? Maybe you can try that? Sucking my bols?
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The only source I found about "Freezing bank account" is The Conversation (case in point about the lip service lmao)
https://theconversation.com/eu-sanctions-against-israel-heres-whats-on-the-table-260982
If saying european governements are complicit with a genocide is AnTiWesT ProPagAnDa, then yes. Fuck the west.
Here's a random picture to close our interactions.
Good day
You quoted it, you posted it, I assume you read it?
I said good day
Oh? Remind me again how many countries have even an arms embargo against Israel? Or they have any sort of penalties against them outside of completely symbolic actions done well past the time they should have been? How many of those countries is it a crime to criticize Israel in? The UK and Germany at a minimum.
Germany and the UK are the latest two that have issued arms embargos against Israel, however considering less than 0.1% of Israel's arms come from outside America, they have little power or influence there.
Zero. It is not a crime to criticize Israel in either the UK or Germany. The BBC just published an article accusing them of genocide. You are spreading misinformation.
Who benefits from this misinformation?
It is in effect against the law to criticize Israel in Germany and now the uk. It is against the law to protest in the UK in effect.
Neither of these things are true. You are spreading misinformation.
The US deserves the vast majority of the blame here (along with Israel of course). The truth is though, for many in Germany and the UK including those at the highest levels of power they are if anything jealous to be missing out on the colonialism and genocide. Again, the US is absolutely the primary problem but... really? You are going to act like the US isn't just following in the footsteps of the brutal colonial empires of England and Germany?
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/german-chancellor-defends-israels-dirty-work-comments-despite-criticism/3603583
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/germany-israel-dirty-work-merz-exposes-orientalist-roots-genocidal-zionism
Sounds like you're jealous of Europe being the best place on earth for worker's rights.
I mean, yes in so far as you can generalize, of course I am jealous of that!? You think I like being stuck at the bottom of a cruel hole lined with gold and bullet casings?
What I am saying is open your eyes to your own history and recognize it is part of the same system and process whether or not the locus of power is currently within your empire or not.
I don't make this argument as a form of nihilistic relativism or try to rope other countries into the miserable complicity in yet another genocide the US has condemned itself too participating in. The US deserves FAR MORE blame than Germany, the UK, France or any other European country does.
My point however is, don't lose focus of the fact that the US is a cancerous reflection of the same tendencies towards empire, fascism, ethnic cleansing and xenophobia European history is full of. US history unfolds directly out of the worst parts of European history, you cannot deny it and if you continue to do so you hamstring your capacity to understand the coming threat to Europe that will eat away at everything your society holds dear in the name of fear of terrorism and the silhouette of an immigrant threatening to join your community and become your neighbor...
Maybe if you stopped blaming all your problems on the West you'd be able to dig out of that hole.
When did I blame all of my problems on the West?
Do you think when I stub my toe that I proclaim "Damn you judeo-christian western european values!!" in anger at the sky?
France, Britain, Germany. All as bad as the US.
The responsibility of america is undeniable ofc they're the main offender. But Germany still use israeli tech.
https://www.dw.com/en/german-police-secretly-bought-nso-pegasus-spyware/a-59113197
I think it's at least part of the reason why they're so stubbornly supporting israel, at least as much as the official wahwah about the genocide they did 80 years ago.
That article is from 2021. This is a few weeks ago:
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-suspends-arms-exports-to-israel-for-use-in-gaza/a-73569858
This is disguisting. Personally I wish for a second versaille agrement for germany after this.
But I'm biased. We shouldn't let germany be a country imo. When I was there I learned that some actually smart germans calls for the Totale Rückverdummung ("total restupidification") and balkanization of Germany.
I do love germans though, great people.
I mean countries, their national governments. America is the only country that officially supports Israel. Every other country in the West has publicly criticized them, sanctioned them, banned arms sales to them. Including Germany and UK.
Then why are those countries also arresting pro-Palestinian protesters?
They aren't. Name one country where you think it is illegal to protest in support of Palestine, and I will debunk the misinformation for you.
There's news reports all over the fucking place, here, mainstream media, social media. Wtf are you talking about? They're all lies?