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During the agents’ violent attack on a delivery worker Saturday morning in DC, bystanders repeatedly demanded the agents share their badge numbers. One of them—his face fully obscured by a black balaklava—eventually shot back, “Do I have to answer to you?”

“You guys are ruining this country. You know that, right?” one bystander said to the agents at one point during the incident. An agent, ironically clad in a rainbow face mask, replied “Liberals already ruined it.”

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Last week on stage at the Netroots conference in New Orleans, I spoke with Congresswoman Delia Ramirez (D-IL) about ICE: specifically that she believes it should be abolished. It’s a stance that’s considered far left, but after witnessing ICE and other federal agents in DC this week, abolishing ICE should be the baseline Democratic position.

“ICE is a terrorist organization,” Ramirez told me. “It needs to be defunded and needs to be abolished.”

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[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

Immigration and customs are federal issues, not state issues, no matter how you slice it.

The problem isn't that there exists an organization to enforce, but the entirety of its approach ("find people to kick out / take to concentration camps"). Within the framework we have today, something like a non-citizen being convicted of a crime (handled by local/state) being handed off to ice to deport to the appropriate country of their residence? Sure.

But also borders are pretty stupid if a lot of the other stupid stuff around it goes away too.

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 0 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

Thanks for the thoughts and information in your post. Those are some valid points.

They're already under the Department of Homeland Security I'd imagine. I guess I don't really have a better answer. I feel like the department needs to exist but not to this extent. Kind of like how the FBI doesn't do patrol work, then maybe ICE should handle it only after it's been an identified issue or an established case.

Thanks again for making it a conversation. I don't know everything and I'm not afraid to say it.

[–] fartemoji@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

What does ice do that other, less militarized, agencies can't already do?

[–] SendMePhotos@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Aggression aside I feel like ICE should be more on the legal side of things than the force side of things

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