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Chat Control is back & we've got two months to stop the EU CSAM scanning plans. (tuta.com)
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[–] x00z@lemmy.world 143 points 23 hours ago (18 children)

They're such bullies. It also shows how awful democracy can be. They just change the legalese around until it goes trough. It has already been voted against, yet they want the control and do whatever they can to get it.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 58 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (14 children)

It somewhat works here (Switzerland) since the Volksentscheid is holy and pulling that stunt gets a lot of people really upset about not honoring that choice.

But yeah democracies need rules against repeated attempts, since this is an exploit violating the idea of a democracy. In Germany, this is already a problem, called Salamitaktik (Salami slicing tactic).

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 19 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (11 children)

The EU is a democracy.

While it's not perfect (no system is), each of the bodies that make up the EU legislature are democratic:

  • The European Parliament is directly elected in European elections every five years
  • The European Commission is made up of commissioners from each country, which are in turn appointed by their democratically elected governments
  • The European Council consists of the heads of state or governance, which are also democratically elected in the respective countries.
  • The Council of the European Union is made up of government ministers, which are appointed by the democratically elected governments.

Not every body is directly voted on, but each body comes forth from a democratic election

Edit: The message I responded to originally made the claim that the "EU is no democracy."

[–] JustJack23@slrpnk.net 12 points 21 hours ago

They are theoretically, but coming from Eastern Europe all those levels of abstractions lead to "opportunities" for "managing democracy" and more importantly for alienation of the people because most people do not know what they are voting for or what each of their chosen representativea do when in office.

I am not saying it is a broken system, but I think it can be better and in particular direct participation can be greatly improved.

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