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You guys don’t understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. I’m so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. That’s what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I can’t stand reading this shit anymore. I really can’t.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
I’ve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. I’m half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Y’all want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, I’d be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, that’s what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You can’t kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. I’m so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
If you think the rights of people can be won without violence, you have not paid attention to history. This was never going to end peacefully.
There's a Wikipedia page on nonviolent revolutions, so is violence itself necessary or is the threat of violence sufficient? History may not actually be in complete agreement in favor of violent resistance.
"Nonviolent campaigns have a 53% success rate and only about a 20% rate of complete failure. Things are reversed for violent campaigns, which were only successful 23% of the time, and complete failures about 60% of the time. Violent campaigns succeeded partially in about 10% of cases, again comparing unfavorably to nonviolent campaigns, which resulted in partial successes over 20% of the time."
https://www.ericachenoweth.com/research/wcrw
Those campaigns were surrounded with violence. That is why they worked. Riots, killings, people getting beat up, people fighting police. the police committing acts of violence, etc., not having concerted, armed, resistance, does not mean non-violent. Like you say the threat of the violence they could see, getting bigger, is the reason to reach out to the non-violent party for diplomacy. But the threat has to be real.
Something tells me you don't actually understand the difference between a violent campaign and a nonviolent campaign.
Yes, the goals cannot be violent. That doesn't mean violence cannot be extremely useful when applied tactfully.
Nonviolent resistance movements are more likely to facilitate transitions from autocracy to democracy, improve democratic qualities like civil liberties, transform security forces and judicial systems in rights-respecting directions, and enhance well-being measures such as life expectancy.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2452292924000365
The commonly held belief that most revolutions that have happened in dictatorial regimes were bloody or violent uprisings is not borne out by historical analysis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_revolution
Empirical evidence strongly favors strategic, organized nonviolent resistance as the most effective path to sustainable political change.
Political assassinations are a tool of desperation. They're effective at creating instability and further violence; counterproductive for achieving lasting political goals. They fail to eliminate the ideas, movements, and structures that person represented.
Those nonviolent movements didn't exist in a vaccuum, and dismissing the violence that WAS present as wholly separate and due no credit is IGNORING HISTORY.