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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 points 1 day ago

at the same time trump is allowing 600,000 chinese nationals to work in many sectors in the us.

[–] frog_brawler@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Someone should warn them that the use of Fox News puppets to lead government departments is not only a breach of trust, but also makes the country more vulnerable.

[–] salacious_coaster@infosec.pub 98 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Throwing rocks from the glassiest of houses

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Quiet I can hear you while we're auctioning off Bytedance/tiktok to US corporations. No hypocrisy to be found here.

[–] db2@lemmy.world 47 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Have another whisky, Pete. We know you're shaking them down for protection money, fuck off.

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I have a weird take whenever stuff like this comes up but its in my humble opinion that world governments shouldn't rely on corporate developed software or even maybe hardware.

This is definitely hindsight is always 20/20 sort of thinking but governments should have long ago realized that trusting the likes of Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, etc. would leave them reliant on their innovations and also subject to their whims, mistakes, and more.

Basically I'm saying World governments all need their own internal OS developed and maintained internally by an official subdivision of said governments, and maybe even a separate branch developing internally utilized hardware.

Never gonna happen, and I'm sure there are issues with this solution, but its a hypothetical I think about whenever something tech related and the government comes up in the news, which is pretty much every day now.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 2 points 1 day ago

This is definitely hindsight is always 20/20 sort of thinking but governments should have long ago realized that trusting the likes of Intel, Microsoft, Oracle, etc. would leave them reliant on their innovations and also subject to their whims, mistakes, and more.

Well, I would suppose that a government, if it really want, have more than one way to solve this problem, it is not a small business that can't fight back. And it can fight back in more ways than just "I will switch vendor"

Basically I’m saying World governments all need their own internal OS developed and maintained internally by an official subdivision of said governments, and maybe even a separate branch developing internally utilized hardware.

Yes, but it would be a nightmare to communicate even with your allies if everyone has a different OS running on differen hardware since at some point you will need to communicate with someone.

[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I work for one of the world's largest proprietary software companies.

100% agree with you

Countries should fund open source OS, browser, mobile OS. It is in their best interest.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

Countries are not run in their best interest. They are run in the best interest of their ultra wealthy.

[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] nymnympseudonym@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Honestly curious how you concluded this

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

On the other hand, have you ever seen a government authored operating system?

[–] Melusine@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 2 points 2 days ago

Hey, it is not an full OS but the French Gendarmerie is using their custom Ubuntu since the end of windows 7

[–] z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, and I'm sure the various OS's that have been made by Governments have their (sometimes severe) flaws. But it is a potential solution to government reliance on corporate technologies nevertheless.

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 3 points 2 days ago

And also community profits. But I don't see it happen because politicians are dumb. In my country (EU) they still use X and Facebook only to communicate on social media. Microsoft is also heavily embedded in all pores.

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Totally agree, but at this point Microsoft is so ingrained in the US federal government that it's practically a branch of it.

[–] JTskulk@lemmy.world 23 points 2 days ago

Breach of trust doesn't have a price tag attached to it. Wake me up when there are any consequences.

[–] desmosthenes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] semperverus@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Wrong. This is operational security warfare. China, Russia, and every adversary should be holding the same attitude towards us if they're worth their salt at protecting their internal national assets.

It doesn't matter that its Chinese people by blood, its Team-U vs Team-C.

Now, the shitbags crying about this probably are doing it from ill-intentioned positions and are most definitely racist, but while their broad intentions are evil, this is one of those cliché "broken clock right twice a day" moments.

[–] cy_narrator@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"China based engineers" != "Chinese spy"

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

in which U.S. personnel with security clearances supervise foreign engineers, including those in China.

From the security clearance perspective there really isn't any difference between China based engineers, Chinese spies, and Joe America accessing classified code without being cleared by the DoD.

If an individual did this "escort" scheme, they would be arrested.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago

I have been held at gunpoint by a giggling marine because I was escorted through a door I shouldn’t have been.

I had the necessary clearance and access but I wasn’t read in or scheduled and despite it not being my fault I was still held until I was cleared to not be.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

“The program was designed to comply with contracting rules, but it exposed the department to unacceptable risk,” Hegseth said in a video announcement posted on X. “If you’re thinking America first and common sense, this doesn’t pass either of those tests.”

I’m agreeing with Pete Hegseth? WTF is happening right now?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The US has long since had a practice of outsourcing labor many times over in pursuit of the lowest labor costs and maximum profit.

Getting your girdle in a twist because you found out the guy on Fiverr debugging your middleware has non-White ancestors maybe misses the root of the problem.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

??? This is about giving chinese nationals root access to US military IT systems to save money. It's actually terrible opsec and should be a way worse scandal.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 days ago

Yes, but we wouldn’t want to fly in the face of our tradition of letting Microsoft off scott free for severe governmental security breaches, would we?

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Google, Amazon and several other gov contractors have been loosening their hiring guidelines since the Obama era when it was required for anyone working on gov cloud or gov anything needed to be U.S. Citizen, then it was just on U.S. soil to finally has to be monitored or reviewed by someone in U.S. which very quickly devolved to get the work done even if no one in the U.S. is awake. As you can imagine it would be easy for anyone to slip and take advantage of such wide gaps in security.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago

I’m agreeing with Pete Hegseth? WTF is happening right now?

I mean, listen to your gut instincts, which is that you're being foolish because he is a fool.

If your system demands trust, it's a bad system. If your system has a written set of rules that don't actually cover your requirements, it's a bad system. If the "tests" you imagine post-hoc aren't part of the system, you're just opportunistically trying to shift the blame.

You made a deal, set the parameters, and what... Expected the for profit company to ignore their fiduciary duty to shareholders to maximize profit? What is this, your first fucking day of capitalism, Pete?

His response to this is engineered to shift blame, and he's coming out swinging because ultimately he is to blame. It's barely more than a political catchphrase. He literally invoked "America First".

[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

Technically backwards, those who encouraged and signed off on the deployment of Microsoft products breached security standards. If they did not ensure the contract ensured compliance with all applicable security requirements then they should not have given Microsoft a free pass to pools of money.

The same applies to virtually all fortune 1000 contracts that the Department of Defense has. Let the pain flow.

[–] cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

microsoft should cancel all pentagon contracts and revoke their licenses.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

I think some billionaires are having buyer's remorse.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

Yes because that's the biggest problem with Microsoft right there, their Chinese engineers.

[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

The use of Azure to help with the systematic murder of a people: totally cool in Hegseth's eyes.