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[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 90 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It’s always been about the oil with Venezuela. The US does not care about the legitimacy of foreign elections and never has, anyone who believes that is an idiot,

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 40 points 5 days ago

B-but the drugs... Don't ask about the reasons of the opioid crisis in their country though

[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago

"No MoRe WaRs" and Trump the Peacemaker was a big part of their campaign. Hopefully invading Venezuela would hurt him more politically than any oil but who am I kidding? They'll all just lie like they always do.

[–] xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 81 points 5 days ago

To misattribute a quote to Gordon Ramsey: “You’ve put so much oil in this, the US want to invade the plate”.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Eh, the reason there's so little exports is because the extraction collapsed when all the workers at the national company, PDVSA, were fired in a single day for political reasons. Then the drop in prices in 2015 further destroyed all facilities. Even if the US invades today, it would take decades to rebuild the infrastructure back to pre-2000 levels of export.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 5 points 4 days ago

It is a combination of sanctions and a lot of infrastructure being broken. But a lot can be repaired relatively quickly. You do not need peak production levels to make a hell of a lot of money.

[–] MoreFPSmorebetter@lemmy.zip 12 points 4 days ago

What many people don't realize is that a significant chunk of our oil processing infrastructure in America is designed for Venezuelas oil specifically. It's very thick and that means a very different procedure for refinement. Thinner/watery crude oil from other places in the world is much easier to work with and many other places are already set up to refine that oil. Not everyone in the world is set up to process Venezuelas crude oil.

This also means we can't just get oil somewhere else and run it through those same refineries with the same results. Venezuela has the single largest oil reserves and America spent a lot of time, energy and money to process that oil.

So yes it is about oil, but it's much more complicated than simply "oil".

[–] Gladaed@feddit.org 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Their oil is bad and investing in new oil drilling is likely to yield low returns as a crash is incoming due to renewables being cheaper and most states having a desire to alleviate climate change risks.

[–] MrMakabar@slrpnk.net 11 points 4 days ago

and that is why the oil industry funds the far right with such insane sums. It is also really good news, as a decline in oil consumption is really going to hurt the far right.

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Venezuela Oil is poor quality which means it costs a lot to refine.

[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Tell people this and they'll blink at you like you just asked a fish to do calculus.

The public is woefully ignorant on how the oil industry as a whole works, the vast majority of people don't even know that there are different qualities and weights of oil that are suited for different things.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't refining companies like that?

[–] Spaniard@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It's not worth it, maybe one day it will be worth but we are developing alternatives... Plenty of reserves in allied countries and I think the US has big untouched reserves just in case.

Venezuela is incapable of processing that oil because when they nationalized the industry they fucked it so hard now they don't have the tools, that's what Bolivarism does.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago

oh I wonder if it's oil...

Clicks in

It was oil

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] MiddleAgesModem@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

It is feeling real 2003 right about now

[–] anotherspinelessdem@lemmy.ml 21 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Guess Iran and Canada better get some goddamn nukes then

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Not allowed only the countries who had nukes firsts are allowed to have them ever its nuclear non proliferation on top of that the ones that have them pinkie promise to phase them out any day now. This is totally fair and balanced and we will bomb you if you disagree.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

to phase them out any day now

tbf lots of progress has already been made:

Source

And i'm definitely a fan of not every small country having them. imagine how much harm they could do.

[–] copd@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Have you guys already forgotten the sortie of B-2s and GBU-57s on Fordow? Damn it's scary how quickly people forget

[–] Ilixtze@lemmy.ml 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At this point everyone should get nukes

[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

You get a nuke, and you get a nuke, and you get a nuke, everybody gets a nuke!

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago

Yo someone go let Iran know that they should probably be getting nukes. Not sure if they're aware of the need /s

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

And they'd be exporting plenty if they weren't sanctioned by the world's largest military and single biggest consumer of oil.

Literally the most similar country on Earth to Venezuela, both politically and economically, is Norway. But they're white. That's the big difference.

[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Lol, I wish. Norway is as similar to Venezuela as North Korea and New Zealand are to each other.

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[–] khepri@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

It hard to think of two more dissimilar nations, outside of the fact that they both have oil and both coincidentally have almost identical GDPs (despite Venezula having about 6 times the population of Norway). But in any other area you care to consider, from per-capita GDP to political stability to education to economic diversification to healthcare to corruption to age distribution to civil liberties to pollution to population growth to the HDI, they are in extremely sharp contrast in almost every way we measure nations. Politically, it's a stable parliamentary democracy up against a polarized authoritarian-leaning republic, pretty darn far from each other. Yes, they are both resource-dependent, state-central, and redistributional nations, but they go about it in virtually opposite ways functionally, and there are dozens of such countries that would rank closely on those generic metrics.

[–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

The United States of terrorist America are going for the worst outcome for climate change: more fossil fuel through war. There is no hope for future generations if this goes through

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

But but but the west loves the free market and all that...

These wankies only care about "free market" when they're on the top exploiting.

As soon as a strong competitor appears, the market is cornered, blackmailed, forcefully sold off to friends/families, or simply sanctioned or embargoed along with countries who are willing to do business with them.

[–] Skavau@piefed.social 2 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I strongly oppose any US intervention in Venezuela, but the notion their civil society is equivalent to Norway other than superficial observation that both are oil-rich is absurd.

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 11 points 5 days ago

Well we have reserves in barrels and export ind dollars.

So nobody can get any information about how much oil was actually exported.

I don't know the oil price. I don't think everyone is paying the same.

This is almost useless

[–] Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] sexy_peach@feddit.org 4 points 5 days ago

Climate heroes

[–] GaryGhost@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Better yet, our military gets there and can't find oil. Oops, let's prop up another dictatorship

[–] Seefoo@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No guys, seriously? Its definitely 100% about ~~their freedom~~ the drug "problem".

[–] veni_vedi_veni@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago

I always go to war with Venezuala in all my Vic3 games for this reason.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

It's because their name is so fun to say.

Ven-e-zue-la!

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 2 points 5 days ago

Thank god for that red arrow and red box. Would have been lost without them.

[–] biber@feddit.org 2 points 5 days ago

It's complicated.. i thought this video provides a nice primer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Mh-ndtqAY

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