They lost me at "A.I.".
this post was submitted on 04 Sep 2025
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I'm very mildly pro-AI, in the sense that I remain optimistic there will be at least a few cool use cases and I'd love to find them.
So I tried Dia... And uninstalled it a few hours later. Why would I want to "chat with my tabs"? Even if I didn't think this was a rubbish use case, every browser comes with a chatbot sidebar/extension/whatever, why would I want to change browsers just for that?
Heavy pass. Also, after how they abandoned Arc, I don't think they can be trusted to develop a product and not pull the rug from under the users when it becomes mildly inconvenient to keep working on it.
The main problem with A.I. isn't that it can't be a useful tool, it is that the creators can't resist the urge to take the opportunity to hoover up every bit of data they can from the users. That and they are spending billions of dollars in A.I. creation. You don't spend that kind of money to help your employees do their jobs, you spend that money to replace your employees.
Oh, they had abandoned Arc? Then yeah, doubly dismiss them. It wasn't even old...
What happened was, they realised that Arc was a niche product that had a fervient userbase but would never become a mainstream browser, so they announced its development was "complete" and they were moving on to Dia so that they could ~~jump onto the AI bandwagon~~ create the next generation of browser.
You’d think a company that makes browsers could make more than one browser.
Hell, opera has a flavour for however you’re feeling that minute.
It's pretty sad that new and innovative companies only exist to get sold to big corporations these days. And I'm saying that as someone who did not like Arc
The best thing The Browser Company ever did was unintentionally making someone else decide to create Zen.
I liked some of the features of Arc. Fortunately they've pretty much all been added to Zen since then.
I completely forgot that Zen is Firefox-based. I've been avoiding some of these newer browsers because they're based on Chromium. I'll have to try it out!
What do you currently use? I've been consistently enjoying Waterfox.
I'm just using regular Firefox at the moment. I briefly tried Floorp but it felt a bit slow.
Well, except at work where we're forced to use Chrome for security reasons. They rely on Chrome Enterprise as part of their endpoint security solution, which has features like preventing copying from sensitive/confidential work webapps then pasting onto non-work sites, and other features that big companies use.
This is the way
Let's hope Zen doesn't get bought by someone.
Unfortunately that's the goal of a lot of startups. A startup is considered "successful" if they get acquired by a large company and employees of the startup make a lot of money.
And they still probably won't port the browser to Linux.
There's no need. Zen exists on Linux and works just fine.
idk how I ever used any other browser before, it bothers me that I never looked for other options since a firefox exensionnsimilar to zenbrowser already existed