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[–] Tja@programming.dev 13 points 1 day ago (21 children)

Europeans who are racist (especially from the east, or countries which didn't have colonies) are racist in the sense of staring at black people and trying to touch their hair.

Americans who are racist are racist in the sense they want to disenfranchise black votes, gerrymandered the hell of their districts and maybe enslave them in a federal prison for a minor drug offense. Because lynching is frowned upon these days.

Both exist, but they are not the same.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 89 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Europeans when asked about the Romani

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Itt:

Americans are dumb af and know it, but Europeans are dumb af and don't know it.

OH HOW THE TURNS HAVE TABLED

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 points 18 hours ago

I might have missed the part where we voted into EU parliament a highly racist figure that yells about walls, random ethnicities and threatens others based on their skin color. Can you tell me more? I've not noticed Europeans by majority voting for people like that.

[–] Stefan_S_from_H@discuss.tchncs.de 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

What German kids in the 19th century got taught:

An 1845 German children's book called "Der Struwwelpeter" has a story about three boys teasing a dark-skinned boy. Saint Nicholas is punishing them.

[–] A_norny_mousse@feddit.org 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Struwwelpeter is absolutely horrible, esp. the fact that it was sold as an actual children's book and apparently well enough to be remembered forever.

I just learned that the guy called himself a psychiatrist. In 1844, this was a very different kind of science. He was very pleased with the success of his book - which he wrote for a 3-year old relative - until his death.

That said, I did not know he spoke out against bullying of minorities.

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[–] DupaCycki@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Can't be racist if you don't know black people exist.

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[–] four@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 day ago (11 children)

History in school focuses on European history, which doesn't really have much racism in it (it has other not-fun stuff). And until fairly recently, especially for eastern Europe, there weren't that many people of color, so you wouldn't really encounter racism as an issue. I mean, your parents would say some wild stereotype about black people, but no one would bat an eye, so you wouldn't know that it's bad. With internet and general globalization it's changing now, but there's still a long way to go

[–] Microw@piefed.zip 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

European history "doesn't really have much racism in it"? Huh? You sure we're talking about the same european history here? Maybe in some parts of Europe this isn't taught, but I definitely learned in school about colonialism, the transatlantic slave trade, the Nazi's racism against Slavs and Romas etc...

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (18 children)

... So those lessons on the many centuries of European colonization** included zero self reflection on the racism involved?

[–] Uruanna@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

History lessons are a bunch of names and dates that you have to learn by heart. We went there, we made this place, we came back with this shit, we made a church. Here's a family tree. Even when learning about battles and borders, we don't get to ask "why were they here? Why were we there?" We just know that we were at war because this king and that king disagreed. Sometimes, at best, one of them just wants control of this location or someone's wife banged the wrong duke, but that's almost only for intra European conflicts - and Jerusalem.

Ethnic social issues came very late. Jews and other wandering populations are completely ignored.

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