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Did you ever saw a char and thought: "Damn, 1 byte for a single char is pretty darn inefficient"? No? Well I did. So what I decided to do instead is to pack 5 chars, convert each char to a 2 digit integer and then concat those 5 2 digit ints together into one big unsigned int and boom, I saved 5 chars using only 4 instead of 5 bytes. The reason this works is, because one unsigned int is a ten digit long number and so I can save one char using 2 digits. In theory you could save 32 different chars using this technique (the first two digits of an unsigned int are 42 and if you dont want to account for a possible 0 in the beginning you end up with 32 chars). If you would decide to use all 10 digits you could save exactly 3 chars. Why should anyone do that? Idk. Is it way to much work to be useful? Yes. Was it funny? Yes.

Anyone whos interested in the code: Heres how I did it in C: https://pastebin.com/hDeHijX6

Yes I know, the code is probably bad, but I do not care. It was just a funny useless idea I had.

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[–] bonus_crab@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago

now use the intchar to store prefixes for a smart string , or pack them to make a simd optimized b tree with 40 string prefixes per node instead of 32

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
unsigned int turn_char_to_int(char pChar)
{
    switch(pChar)
    {
    case 'a':
        return 10;
    case 'b':
        return 11;
    case 'c':
        return 12;
    case 'd':
        return 13;
    case 'e':
        return 14;
    case 'f':
        return 15;
    case 'g':
        return 16;
    case 'h':
        return 17;
    case 'i':
        return 18;
    case 'j':
        return 19;
    case 'k':
        return 20;
    case 'l':
        return 21;
    case 'm':
        return 22;
    case 'n':
        return 23;
    case 'o':
        return 24;
    case 'p':
        return 25;
    case 'q':
        return 26;
    case 'r':
        return 27;
    case 's':
        return 28;
    case 't':
        return 29;
    case 'u':
        return 30;
    case 'v':
        return 31;
    case 'w':
        return 32;
    case 'x':
        return 33;
    case 'y':
        return 34;
    case 'z':
        return 35;
    case ' ':
        return 36;
    case '.':
        return 37;

    }
}

Are you a monster or just stupid?

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

If you couldn't write

if(pChar >= 'a' && pChar <= 'z') return pChar - ('a' - 10);

I suppose you typed this "all the size of a lookup table with none of the speed" abomination manually too.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

switch case structures are very efficient in c and c++. They work similarly like an offset into memory. Compute the offset once (any expression in the 'case' lines), then jump. Using primitives directly, like here with chars, is directly the offset. Contrary to if-else branches, where each case must be evaluated first and the CPU has basically no-op cycles in the pipeline until the result of the branch is known. If it fails, it proceeds with the next one, waits again etc.. (Some CPU architectures might have stuff like speculative branch execution, which can speed this up.)

However, code-style wise this is really not elegant and something like your proposal or similar would be much better.

[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh, I didn't know that they were a LUT of jump addresses. Stil, a LUT of values would be more space-efficient and likely faster. Also, what if the values are big and sparse, e.g.

switch (banknoteValue) {
    case 5000:
        check_uv();
        check_holograph();
    case 2000:
        check_stripe();
    case 1000:
        check_watermark();
}

...does the compiler make it into an if-else-like machine code instead?

Yes, I did type it out manually (not really, I just copy pasted it and changed the according values)

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Real kings store 32 booleans as a single int

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

An enum and a logical "or" operator.

[–] Garbagio@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 hours ago
[–] aarch64@programming.dev 5 points 1 day ago

That's where std::vector<bool> or bitfields come in handy!

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

After all.. Why not?

Why shouldn’t I ignore the 100+ cultures whose character set couldn’t fit into this encoding?

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 29 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Not 100% relevant but it was in my collection and I thought it was close enough to be funny. :D

[–] JohnEdwa@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 day ago

ŚĆŻRŹĘĄMŚ

[–] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

Yes, which is why we’ve broadly accepted that ASCII isn’t sufficient any more.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

They left one bit for the other cultures use.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Åååååå!

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

CPU still pulls a 32kb block from RAM...

[–] enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol, using RAM like last century. We have enough L3 cache for a full linux desktop in cache. Git gud and don’t miss it (/s).

(As an aside, now I want to see a version of puppylinux running entirely in L3 cache)

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 21 hours ago

I decided to take a look and my current CPU has the same L1 as my high school computer had total RAM. And the L3 is the same as the total for the machine I built in college. It should be possible to run a great desktop environment entirely in L3.

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 day ago

Look at this guy with their fancy RAM caches.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Cache man, its a fun thing. ~~32k~~ 32 (derp, 32 not 32k) is a common cache line size. Some compilers realise that your data might be hit often and aligns it to a cache line start to make its access fast and easy. So yes, it might allocate more memory than it should need, but then its to align the data to something like a cache line.
There is also a hardware reasons that might also be the case. I know the wii's main processor communicates with the co processor over memory locations that should be 32k aligned because of access speed, not only because of cache. Sometimes, more is less :')

Hell, might even be a cause of instruction speed that loading and handling 32k of data might be faster than a single byte :').

Then there is also the minimum heap allocation size that might factor in. Though a 32k minimum memory block seems... Excessive xD

[–] victorz@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Cache Man, I would watch that movie.

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[–] drath@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Oh god, please don't. Just use utf8mb4 like a normal human being, and let the encoding issues finally die out (when microsoft kills code pages). If space is of consideration, just use compression, like gz or something.

[–] dullbananas@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

That's bootleg gzip.

[–] Zacryon@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago

At first I thought, "How are they going to compress 256 values, i.e. 1 Byte sized data, by "rearranging into integers"?

Then I saw your code and realized you are discarding 228 of them, effectively reducing the available symbol set by about 89%.

Speaking of efficiency: Since chars are essentially unsigned integers of size 1 byte and 'a' to 'z' are values 97 to 122 (decimal, both including) you can greatly simplify your turn_char_to_int method by just substracting 87 from each symbol to get them into your desired value range instead of using this cumbersome switch-case structure. Space (32) and dot (46) would still need special handling though to fit your desired range.

Bit-encoding your chosen 28 values directly would require 5 bit.

[–] null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 21 points 2 days ago

Not useless -- you have a future in tiny, embedded systems.

[–] joseandres42@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I do this kind of thing everyday as a firmware engineer :)

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 day ago

And here I was wasting time with bit fields to make my bools smaller.

[–] traceur301@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I'm not sure if this is the right setting for technical discussion, but as a relative elder of computing I'd like to answer the question in the image earnestly. There's a few factors squeezing the practicality out of this for almost all applications: processor architectures (like all of them these days) make operating on packed characters take more operations than 8 bit characters so there's a speed tradeoff (especially considering cache and pipelining). Computers these days are built to handle extremely memory demanding video and 3d workloads and memory usage of text data is basically a blip in comparison. When it comes to actual storage and not in-memory representation, compression algorithms typically perform better than just packing each character into fewer bits. You'd need to be in a pretty specific niche for this technique to come in handy again, for better or for worse

[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I liked the technical discussion so thank you. Keep it up, I got into this career because there was always so much to learn.

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[–] python@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Hey, this is awesome for saving space when writing things to NFC tags! Every bit still matters with those suckers

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

dammit yesterday was too long i thought this was a dnd joke at first

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Me too! Haven't had my coffee yet. I was like

"... character...? Charisma...? (blink blink)"

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[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 5 points 1 day ago

My colleague said he didn’t see the point in storing enums as shorts or bytes instead of a full word, so I retaliated by storing them in their string form instead, arguing that it’ll be compressed by the db engine.

[–] bacon_pdp@lemmy.world 97 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 35 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Did not knew that this existed, but yeah its kinda like that. Except that I only allow 5 characters.

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[–] RiQuY@lemmy.zip 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Interesting idea but type conversion and parsing is much more slower than wasting 1 byte. Nowadays memory is "free" and the main issue is the execution speed.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck it. *uses ulong to store a boolean*

[–] Tja@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago

So, python?

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[–] bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world 56 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You would have done well with this kind of thinking in the mid-80s when you needed to fit code and data into maybe 16k!

As long as you were happy to rewrite it in Z80 or 6502.

Another alternative is arithmetic encoding. For instance, if you only needed to store A-Z and space, you code those as 0-26, then multiply each char by 1, 27, 27^2, 26^3 etc, the add them.

To unpack them, divide by 27 repeatedly, the remainder each time is each character. It's simply covering numbers to base-27.

It wouldn't make much difference from using 5 bits per char for a short run, though, but could be efficient for longer strings, or if encoding a smaller set of characters.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I was hopping it was somehow badly implemented in python and each char ended up occupying 2Gb

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[–] solrize@lemmy.ml 33 points 2 days ago

Back in the day those tricks were common. Some PDP-11 OS's supported a "Radix-50" encoding (50 octal = 40 decimal) that packed 3 characters into a 16 bit word (40 codepoints=26 letters, 10 digits, and a few punctuation). So you could have a 6.3 filename in 3 words.

[–] BartyDeCanter@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Oh god that switch statement. Here, let me come up with something better:

if (pChar >= 'a' && pChar <= 'z') {
  return pChar - 'a' + 10;
} else if (pChar == ' ') {
  return 36;
} else if (pChar == '.'){
  return 37;
}
return 0;
[–] misteloct@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago

First rule of code review, do not sound judgemental.

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