Technology
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
Our Rules
- Follow the lemmy.world rules.
- Only tech related news or articles.
- Be excellent to each other!
- Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
- Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
- Politics threads may be removed.
- No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
- Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
- Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
- Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.
Approved Bots
To me that means Amazon can and will monitor every keystroke of every employee.
Yep, thats corporate monitoring software for you. Everyones got it, if you dont see it, assume its there. If the PC is not yours and or built with your own hands, assume its bugged or key logged. This goes for school PCs as well for the youngins, this is not to make people paranoid, just manage expectations on privacy. If you didnt make it, assume its recorded.
Sorta like north korea then. Understandable why they got the job... Must have felt like home.
This is the real story.
Worked at Google and can confirm if you typed your password into a non org website you were flagged and asked to reset your PW. The problem is some of the training websites Google used and were Google branded were apparently non org websites. But it shows they are looking for "certain key strokes"
My employer does the same over a proxy. Luckily it can't breach HTTPS, but it was annoying to set all my APs and router and switches and other network nodes to HTTPS just because the damn thing would block the site the moment I sent my password in cleartext to a local device...
set all my APs and router and switches and other network nodes to HTTPS
What does that mean? HTTPS is a client-server thing, your APS and switches don't really have anything to do with that.
Web control panel. All my network runs OpenWrt and I prefer to manage it from the web UI instead of terminal tinkering.
Ahh that makes sense. I thought you were claiming you somehow got all your traffic over HTTPS with some AP settings.
Setting their management interfaces to be accessed via https because the VPN blocks (after snooping on) http only access would be my guess
You’re sure they aren’t decrypting your traffic? Check the root cert of any site and see if it’s their own root.
Yep, they're not decrypting HTTPS, I've triple checked. But we do have an MDM forced proxy service that does check any non-encrypted traffic...
Larger companies that monitor for corporate passwords being entered on third-party sites usually use a browser extension that's force-installed using Chrome Enterprise. That's especially the case if they mandate the usage of Chrome.
Why do you say usually? It’s not what I do. I MitM every machine.
This is definitely a thing.
Only if the site they’re visiting isn’t using HSTS, but it’s possible
I don't think this is correct. HSTS only prevents downgrading.
HSTS says it must be encrypted but a proxy will create two connections and look at it clear in the middle. On the other hand cert pinning says it must be a specific cert that breaks the site if decryption is used. Apple is big on doing that for a lot of their site and apps.
Annoying, but ideally it would have been the initial configuration
I mean, more like does and has been, but I guess that's just semantics. Evil gon be evil.
It wasn't the lag from the employee's computer to Amazon which was being monitored.
It was the lag from the hacker to the employee. Amazon could not have monitored the hacker's computer.
I'm kind of surprised the latency was that low. Unless the NK "employee" was spoofing being in SK or something.
The article says he was remotely controlling a company laptop located in Arizona. A woman located in AZ was facilitating the NK workers, but she was recently charged with the fraud.
Hong Kong to Los Angeles is around 70ms latency (140ms round trip) so I'm not too surprised.
How was he hired 🤯 ? It's a skill
There was a scam going where they would offer for someone to apply for a role and use that good candidates clean information to get it v they would do the work and split the pay with the person who's info they used.
In exchange that person would get "job experience", the perks of WFH, and the ability to hold down more than one of these figurehead jobs simultaneously.
Why didn't my guidance counselor tell me this was an option it sounds perfect for me!
Probably because it gets you in trouble with the feds.
Probably worked for next to no pay.
How did Amazon know the lag?
This is a company that's been reported to use the dwell time of you mouse over a product as a potential indicator of interest. Something like a Citrix remote desktop is extremely chatty trying to keep the origin and server in sync with every move of a mouse or keystroke. If the ACKs from the origin confirming the receipt of screen change data took an abnormally long time it could show in system performance metrics pretty easily.
to use the dwell time of you mouse over a product as a potential indicator of interest
That's common internet marketing practice and the main reason to use an adblocker.
But didn't they start to eye-track their drivers? Stuff like that.
Probably a remote kvm system with QOS monitoring. Many secure systems won’t let you connect directly to sensitive resources from your personal workstation.
But the infiltrator hacked the remote worker's computer.
The actual worker may have been require to use...
https://aws.amazon.com/workspaces/desktop-as-a-service/
But the lag from the infiltrator to that is what was detected. There was presumably no Amazon software installed on the infiltrator's computer so how can the lag be measured?
Keyboard input over kvm is pretty awful. It’s possible the kvm software was enforcing a delay between keystrokes to make sure they are delivered in order. Seeing keys consistently pressed with 500ms separation would be odd.
And now you know why you should encrypt your data on any cloud provider.
To save it from North Koreans?
.. and anyone else who should not have access to your data.
Ah that's true
These north koreans are really hard working people..
Let’s see if Amazon gets trump to yell at Un.