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The bullet engravings as per WSJ (lemmy.dbzer0.com)
submitted 16 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) by altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com to c/lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world
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(later retracted)

edit: This is my collage, it's not serious. WSJ, as they say, got misleading reportings about something carved on the bullets refering to 'trans and antifa ideology' and later retracted it, probably it was designed this way to launch the scare wave and support nazi claims. Under articles discussing that, I saw a lot of jokes about 'uwu' being written on the casing, so I created this meme and posted it in c/lemmyshitpost ironizing over dumb misinfo without even thinking someone would think it's real.

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[–] basxto@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 7 hours ago

One engraving read 'Hey Fascists, Catch!' - next to an up arrow symbol, right arrow symbol and three down arrow symbols - and another read 'If You Read This You Are Gay LMAO', Cox said.

Published: 13:49 BST, 12 September 2025 | Updated: 16:33 BST, 12 September 2025

- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15086467/Tyler-Robinson-Charlie-Kirk-killer-identified-Utah-Trump.html

Though these reported engravings are pretty long.

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 25 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Lol, wow, the casing was still smoking when they found it and took the picture? even though it was still chambered? And it was a different caliber than what's pictured? Also how did they fire an AI generated image out of a real rifle? So many questions...

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 hours ago

People bought the pristine JFK bullet for 40 years. Not exactly a country of critical thinkers.

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 13 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Fresh from the AI oven

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 9 hours ago

Mmmmmm, delicious, delicious, AI slop.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 34 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

They retracted their story. The rifle recovered was allegedly a .30-06, this casing is a handgun round, more like a 9mm or so. E: op image is AI anyway.

[–] SuspiciousCatThing@pawb.social 25 points 10 hours ago

They are so ready to condemn trans people. Literally jumping the gun.

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[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 23 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

all news media are basically fascist at this point, especially Bezos shitstain paper and the NYT

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Facebook is a far right propaganda pushing tool now too. It's always been crap, but good lord.

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 2 points 6 hours ago

You’re absolutely right; the way Zuck cucked himself for Trump as soon as he got elected. Not to mention that FBook was one of the main reasons he got elected in 2016! All the “tech” bros are not-so-secret fascists; they are driving society toward collapse cause they think they’ll benefit somehow

[–] tomiant@programming.dev 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Ham? What kind of message is that?

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (3 children)

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 9 points 10 hours ago

Lot of people writing on bullets these days. Must be a pretty big bullet to even fit the word "transgender" on it, let alone his whole manifesto.

[–] ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one 5 points 9 hours ago

Maybe the shooter was upset about the salty ham?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 75 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

Oh god, I can't wait to see this reposted as actual evidence by that one uncle ffs...

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah at this point ... this is probably not a good idea.

Further: That's a casing from a pistol round, probably 9mm, not a necked casing from a hunting rifle.

Apparently, the entire 'trans ideology on the casings' thing ... came from our favorite divorced domestic abuser Steven Crowder, who claims that basically just someone in the ATF just sent either their own opinion or a prelim. analysis to him.

Then, as best I can tell... the WSJ just ran with that, and then everyone else did.

Then the NYT appears to have actually attempted to do journalism, reached out to the ATF for comment/verification, and they basically said 'wtf no, that document is preliminary at best and should not be seen as accurate'... which to me implies they couldn't even be 100% certain as to what specific document Crowder / WSJ was even referring to.

So... hooray journalism I guess, basically everything is a wildly irresponsible gossip rag right now.

EDIT:

Handy dandy idiots guide to bullet cartridge calibers and casings, if anyone cares.

Your modern rifle rounds are generally gonna be necked like the .223/5.56, generally taller, generally larger bullets.

bullet = part that hits thing you are aiming at, ideally.

casing = part that holds gunpowder, has primer, gets hit by firing pin, must be cleared from the chamber before next shot.

cartridge/round = the whole package, all together.

There are still some non necked, straight cased rounds like the 30 30, still somewhat common in lever action ("cowboy repeater") type rifles/carbines.

There are also some smaller rounds that are necked, basically tiny, scaled down rifle style rounds, that are geared toward varmint hunting, or a personal defense context, via moving a smaller and lighter bullet faster, with relatively more gunpowder behind it.... used variously in more niche pistols, rifles, pdws, carbines.

5.7 x 28mm (the 5-7 / P90), 4.6 x 30mm (the MP7), .17 HMR (decent array of varmint rifles), etc.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Guys, guys, guys! It's a shitpost collage I edited myself and posted in the according community. Seems like I need a big disclaimer.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

I am not gonna tell you what to and to not post.

That would be unimaginably ironic.

I'm not even a mod ... or anything like that.

I am gonna say that I really hope your online profile cannot be easily tied back to your actual identity... by either random people with a vendetta... and/or possibly any information within the purview of being obtained by some kind of warrant (or DOGE style break-in) from the US government, or maybe by being leaked from some kind of right wing person that works for an ISP. Or VPN!

Things are looking awfully dicey right now.

The entire problem with a bunch of very, very angry and distraught people, is that they tend to believe whatever the fuck they want to, to justify and amplify their anger.

After all, in a highly emotional state, one's feelings do not really rationally consider or evaluate any kind of facts.

And, I guess you could say that I am deadly serious about that.

EDIT:

in case you are unaware

https://www.charliesmurderers.com/

this exists.

So... yeah.

Looks to me they are building a sort of Purge / 'day of the rope' type hitlist.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Thank you for going so far thinking about my safety. That's rare. Thank you for that.

I am from another problematic state, so I'm probably safe posting that. But being there on Lemmy I feel a kind of a second-hand involvement with what haunts americans whose news are frequent there. And talking about that, making shitposts, I feel relieve as I say what I want to actually say about my own state, but would be ruined if I do.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Hah, yeah, no problem on looking out for your safety.

And yeah, I did the American thing of assuming whoever I am talking to is also American by default, unless otherwise indicated...

But yeah, it sounds like you understand my genuine safety concern as an overriding default, at this point in time.

[–] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

We russians assume just as well, and have a lot of strikingly similar behavioral patterns when we are at our lowest. I don't know which country is going faster in it's race to the bottom, and I am of course to egoistically assume it's mine. But, either way, take and have as much care as you wished me <3

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 hours ago

Spasibo, i pust nam vsem povezet perezhit boleye schastlivye vremena.

<3

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Was going to say, weren't they claiming the round was from a 30.06? It should be necked and considerably longer.

This is turning into a worse frame up job than Luigi. Does the DoJ just tell local authorities to find a scapegoat if the shooter can't be found in 12-24 hours?

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I have been over in another thread trying to figure this out.

putting this all in spoiler tags to not blow up the formatting of the thread

What was originally claimed was 'an older 30.06 Mauser', but that seems unlikely, primarily because almost no Mausers, K98k's, are chambered in 30.06, they're almost all in 7.92x57mm, which is not a 30.06, that'd be 7.62x63mm in metric.

Also... yeah, it does seem like an actual 30.06, at that range of approximately 150 to 200 yards/meters... would have made a lot bigger of a hole, entry and exit wound.... more like just a good chunk of his whole neck blasted off/apart, than the hole that we saw.

Uh, finally... this is the image from the New York Post going around that apparently is the weapon.

This (in my semi informed, and based off a low quality image, opinion) is not an older Mauser.

It is probably a Remington 700, or Ruger American, probably from roughly the 90s or 00's, probably in .270 or .243 or something like that.

Basically, this looks like a roughly 20 to 30 yo, extremely common, bolt action deer hunting rifle in the US.

Let me try to figure out how to link to my own comment in another thread.

https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/21325405

It is looking to me like uh, what a surprise, initial reports are sloppy, vague and innacurate, great job Kash Patel on not having an actual suspect within 24 hrs, I guess tweeting that you've apprehended the suspect (who was actually the wrong guy) was more important.

Oh god this is all so very, very stupid.

This is not even a frame up job at this point, this is pure fucking chaos, everyone, including the head of the FBI, seem to be more or less just be making shit up and running with whatever their gut instinct is, or first thing they heard from some guy.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 27 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

HAM :3

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 3 points 8 hours ago

Cats do like ham.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 48 points 15 hours ago (7 children)

I thought it was a MAGA guy that shot him?

(I mean when misinformation spreads like wildfire, why not rebalance things a bit)

[–] wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 10 hours ago

No it was Kirk's estranged gay lover.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)
[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 9 hours ago

I hope this gains more attention.... wowzers!

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 40 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Until proven otherwise, I'll assume it was a Nazi who thought Charlie wasn't Nazi enough.

[–] MareOfNights@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I mean apparently the groypers had beef with him.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 6 points 11 hours ago

The hitler groupies have beef with everyone. Fuenes has beef with Trump too apparently, recently started spewing stuff about "Jews and Communists still being in government" and pissed off about Trump not releasing the Epstein files.

So, if according to the one conspiracy theory that Says Kirk was killed for retaliation over his Epstein opinion, Fuenes is certainly soon.

I doubt the groypers would do this, there's no way they could be smart enough to escape as long as they have.

[–] jagermo@feddit.org 39 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

A lie can be half around the world before the truth has its boots on

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[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It probably was a gaga guy angry he was pushing for the Epstine list.

[–] LaserTurboShark69@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

A gaga guy? Like a baby? Makes sense

[–] Master@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Autocorner got me again!

[–] ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

I read “Autocoroner”, putting the “auto” in “autopsy”

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[–] Assassassin@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Aktually, Charlie Kirk was obviously a crisis actor

[–] Rakonat@lemmy.world 4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Given that both individuals that tried to enact their plots against POTUS were registered republicans, I wouldn't be surprised if some MAGA idiot did shoot Charlie over some falling out. Though my money is definitely on Mossad given recent events.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

The guy they've arrested grew up with republican parents (cop dad) and around guns his whole life.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago

Seriously, what is that supposed to be on it? And what is it supposed to mean? I know it isn't real, but what were they going for?

[–] troed@fedia.io 18 points 15 hours ago (4 children)

It's not obvious what "HA" refers to. It could be either Habakkuk (HAB) or Hagai (HAG). However, since there's no Hagai III it has to be HAB.

Habakkuk III:3

God comes from Teman, And the Holy One from Mount Paran. Selah. His splendor covers the heavens, And the earth is full of His praise.

Clearly trans ideology there.

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