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[–] bluelander@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 days ago

I'm a pretty avid old video game enjoyer and own multiple CRTs. Also had the pleasure of owning and maintaining a 19" Sony PVM until I traded it to a friend for a mountain of GBA games. Still keep a 13" hooked up for the occasional VHS or old game.

That said, I feel like a lot old sentiment toward emulation and modern display tech is rooted in internet opinions from 2010 or prior.

Yes, older and cheaper LCDs with a Bluetooth controller on old emulation tech pales in comparison to a Super Nintendo hooked up to the cheapest CRT ever. But both display tech and emulation tech have come a long way. High quality upscalers, ultra deep blacks, low latency game modes, insane refresh rates, FPGA, Retroarch run-ahead, cycle accurate emulators, and a dozen other breakthroughs have made retro gaming on modern panels extremely enjoyable.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (3 children)

No please. I want CRTs to stay in the past. The sound they make always gave me a headache, or just irritated me.

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That sound is above 15kHz. If you're old enough to remember CRTs there is a pretty good chance you can't hear it anymore

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I can, unfortunately. My younger brother bought a small CRT a couple of months ago because he's getting into retro gaming. He hardly touches the thing, but I can hear it across the apartment whenever he turns the damn thing on.

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)
[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Counterpoint: DEGAUSS

Bwoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyoyonnnnnggggghhhhh.... CLONK

[–] reptar@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

I clearly needed to degauss the monitor a few times a day

[–] harmsy@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

The tinnitus in my right ear sounds exactly like a CRT. Imagine being stuck with that sound for life.

[–] YeahIgotskills2@lemmy.world 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't use my Amiga, ST, ZX Spectrum or Mega drive on anything other than my CRT. They were designed for that pixel blur and playing on a modern TV is just not the same. I hadn't realised the difference it made until i tried it and now I can never go back to using an LCD for any of my 80s/90s devices.

However, beyond that somewhat niche use, CRTs are otherwise entirely pointless and basically a worse display experience in every concievable way when your source is anything produced after the advent of HDMI/Display Port.

[–] bluelander@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Have you tried any of the various shaders available? I find that a good shader set gets pretty so close to my CRTs that I honestly can't tell the difference. I have a Retrotink for hardware scaling and it also has very good shader options.

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 10 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Dear god, no.

HOWEVER!!!

What I'd like to see are CRT-esque LCDs with the proper lenses, and blur, to emulate a CRT display.

[–] Lfrith@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

Emulator users seem to like oleds for giving off the CRT look with shaders.

[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

And let’s leave off the 60hz flicker. That used to bother me so much.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 1 points 5 days ago

most crts i've ever used were 75Hz or more

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 6 days ago

I hated it when Windows 95 or 98 reset the refresh rate to 59Hz. Flicker was obnoxious.

Just what we need - more power inefficient products pulling on the grid.

[–] Verat@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 days ago

Im still annoyed we didn't get these.

[–] Jessica@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Everyone in the comments is forgetting about light gun games. They don't work on LCD screens

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

There are patches for the NES zapper games to make them work on modern TVs.

Edit: https://neslcdmod.com/

No Bayou Billy 🙁

[–] zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Ironically, the light gun segments are doable with the gamepad and actually easier that way. I always used the gamepad to beat them instead of the zapper.

[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 1 points 5 days ago

Oh, I know. And at least some emulators let you use the mouse as a faux light gun so all is not lost.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago

There are a number of ways to get around that, such as the Sinden lightgun for Playstation, or ROM patches for the NES.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

What might be useful is high quality, low latency 720p displays. A console that outputs 240p can have everything tripled to get 720p. Some of the effects applied by things like the OSSC, like scanlines, look pretty good when they do a 3x scaling.

Most old consoles output something close enough to 240p (which was never a real standard, anyway). For the ones that aren't quite on, upscaling can be done cleanly with only minimal blank space around the frame.

1440p is 2x 720p, so that works, too. You don't need your upscaling processor to be as powerful if you stick to 720p, though.

[–] SnoringEarthworm@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It will not. The article is nostalgia and hopium-baiting.

Restarting a mass-manufacturing production line for something like once super-common CRT TVs would require a major investment that so far nobody is willing to front.

Meanwhile LCD and OLED technology have hit some serious technological dead-ends, while potential non-organic LED alternatives such as microLED have trouble scaling down to practical pixel densities and yields.

There’s a chance that Sony and others can open some drawers with old ‘thin CRT’ plans, dust off some prototypes and work through the remaining R&D issues with SED and FED for potentially a pittance of what alternative, brand-new technologies like MicroLED or quantum dot displays would cost.

Will it happen? Maybe not. It’s quite possible that we’ll still be trying to fix OLED and LCDs for the next decade and beyond, while waxing nostalgically about how much more beautiful the past was, and the future could have been, if only we hadn’t bothered with those goshdarn twisting liquid crystals.

[–] orclev@lemmy.world 50 points 1 week ago (6 children)

It's also utter garbage. We abandoned CRTs because they sucked. They're heavy, waste tons of space, guzzle power, and have terrible resolution. Even the best CRT ever made is absolutely destroyed by the worst of modern LCDs. The only advantage you could possibly come up with is that in an emergency you could beat someone to death with a CRT. Well, that and the resolution was so garbage they had a natural form of antialiasing, but that's a really optimistic way of saying they were blurry as shit.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

and have terrible resolution

Now-now. With CRTs resolution is not an inherent trait anyway. You could trade off update frequency for better resolution and back.

They’re heavy, waste tons of space, guzzle power,

When CRTs were common, LCD displays also were heavy, wasted tons of space and guzzled power. And for some time after that they were crap for your eyes.

Even the best CRT ever made is absolutely destroyed by the worst of modern LCDs.

No, the best CRT ever made is really not that, but also costs like an airplane's wing.

Well, that and the resolution was so garbage they had a natural form of antialiasing, but that’s a really optimistic way of saying they were blurry as shit.

An LCD display has resolution as its trait. A CRT display has a range of resolutions realistically usable with it. It doesn't have a matrix of pixels, only a surface at which particles are shot.

So, the point before I forget it. While CRTs as they existed are a thing of the past, it would be cool to have some sort of optical displays based on interference (suppose, two lasers at the sides of the screen) or whatever, allowing similarly agile resolution change, and also more energy-efficient than LCDs, and also better for one's eyes. I think there even are some, just very expensive. Removing the "one bad pixel" component would do wonders. Also this could probably be a better technology for foldable displays. As in - now you scratch a screen, you have to replace the matrix. While such a component wouldn't cost as much a whole matrix, the lasers would be the expensive part.

Anyway, just dreaming.

[–] hamsterkill@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

it would be cool to have some sort of optical displays based on interference (suppose, two lasers at the sides of the screen) or whatever, allowing similarly agile resolution change, and also more energy-efficient than LCDs, and also better for one's eyes. I think there even are some, just very expensive

I think you're just describing laser projection TVs ( though the projection is from the front or back, generally). They're not that expensive — just huge. For their size, they're much cheaper than LCDs and OLEDs, but they only come in about 100+".

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Hisense-L5H-4K-UHD-Ultra-Short-Throw-Laser-TV-Projector-with-100-Light-Rejecting-Screen-Dolby-Vision-Dolby-Atmos-Google-TV/5003861077?classType=REGULAR

Scanning laser projection is also used in virtual retinal displays, but that's for stuff like HUDs or a head-mounted display since it projects on (or rather - into) a person's eye instead of a screen.

Any kind of scanning display will probably have poor latency compared to LCD/OLED flat panels, I think, though.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 5 days ago

Yes, except with part of the screen itself being the optical medium, bent light and all that. So that it wouldn't have to be huge. I'm thinking about portable, foldable, rollable things ... Not sure.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

No chance I could lift a CRT enough times over and over to beat someone to death with it.

[–] PattyMcB@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Some of them were heavy enough to do it in one shot. Looking at you Sony Trinitron

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago

Holy shit the memories! I got one of those wide flat screen Sony guys out of a trash pile the garbage men left cause it was too heavy ig. I grabbed my homie for down the street and we carried it the couple hundred years to my house at about 50 feet a minute so to stop and rest. Good I wish I had that back again! (Both the tv and my actual teenage musculature).

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[–] rozodru@piefed.social 35 points 1 week ago

Look I miss CRTs too but no, don't bring those things back.

I used to go LAN Parties at the local university and...man no. in the middle of winter? yeah very nice and toasty but in the humidity filled Canadian summers? eff off buddy.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The only thing I miss about them is the degauss button.

[–] pilferjinx@piefed.social 2 points 6 days ago

And that constant tinnitus sound they emit.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 18 points 1 week ago

impending

As in "will never ever happen"

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