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Let the federal government stay that way. Blue states should start picking up services where the federal government left off. And the feds don't need their tax money, either.
Time can go fuck itself for this bullshit headline. "Democrats leave White House with no deal"?
How about "Republicans refuse Democrat deal, setting stage for Republican Government shutdown"
Or maybe something like "Republicans Refuse To Give Americans Benefits and Medical they Pay For, Govenment Shutdown Imminent"
It is pretty obvious, the narrative has been completely captured. All news only reports what these imbeciles say. No pushback, always giving them the deference.
This happened after 9/11 in a very pronounced way. No serious or widespread criticism was allowed in mainstream media. Although the government did apply some pressure it was mostly voluntary.
What do you do when all the pseudo rulling institutions capitulate to a tyrant willingly? What happen when the government becomes indistinguishable from the mob?
The answer is not much, because it has happened many times before already. People need to wake up.
We're so fucked.
Republicans don’t want a deal. Then they can make up whatever they want about democrats and claim they’re the problem and maneuver for more power grabs.
They can (and do) do that anyway. I don't think that's the plan here. To the halfway reasonable people, Republicans control congress. This is on them. The minority party's job us to play hardball. To the people listening to whatever Republicans say without question, it doesn't matter. They can make up anything they want a blame democrats. This doesn't do anything for them.
What did anyone expect anything different?
Trump wants this shutdown. He was never gonna deal.
No he doesn't. He needs to pay ICE agents. He needs the government to stay open.
Shutting the government down and keeping it shut down inhibits his ability to progress with fascism.
Shut the government down and what happens to the soldiers deployed to US streets?
No. Shut it the fuck down. Its idiotic to allow it to stay open.
I know some things continue to operate no matter what. I don't remember if ICE do. I'm sure border patrol continues to operate to some extent, but I have no idea to what degree. The same for the military. They still continue to some degree, but they have to scale down what jobs get done.
This is a long way to say, yes. I agree with you. However, it won't stop totally.
Don’t worry, the generals are there to step in and take over any dept Trump deems necessary.
It's a budget, he needs 50 votes and there's 53 senators with a R by their names...
If there's a shutdown it's cuz trump ordered it.
Schumer "negotiating" just makes it easier for idiots to blame it on Dems.
Mainstream media at large is acting like budget reconciliation isn't a thing...
The procedure overrides the Senate's filibuster rules, which may otherwise require a sixty-vote supermajority for passage. Bills described as reconciliation bills can pass the Senate by a simple majority of fifty-one votes or fifty votes plus the vice president's as the tie-breaker.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)
trump doesn't need a single D vote in the House or Senate to pass a budget, he just doesn't want to
This is a funding bill, which is different than the budget/reconciliation process. He needs 60 votes.
You think "budget reconciliation" which was literally invented to make sure a budget is passed...
Doesn't apply to the annual budget, which has been passed by budget reconciliation for like a decade straight?
Majority in House but 60 votes in Senate are needed to avoid a filibuster, which will require some Democrats.
Wasn't that what they passed in July?
All the more reason to use it once the new fiscal year starts....
If Schumer caves, they can abuse the rule and pass something 1000x times shittier under reconciliation.
They were able to pass that a few months ago, because they didn't use reconciliation for last year's budget, it was just a CR all year
Which is likely what will happen again, and why Schumer would be a giant fucking idiot to negotiate just so Republicans don't have to use it.
Like, good point, but it just brings us full circle.
Quick edit:
Because Senate can use reconciliation once a fiscal year
Is that simply a senate rule that can be bypassed with a simple majority?
They have the majority. Should have told them to make a deal with themselves if they actually give a shit.
But controlled opposition, doing controlled opposition things, to maintain the illusion of democracy.
Genuine question, can't they just...not shut down?
No. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong but they have an agreed debt ceiling and without an agreement raising it they're essentially out of money to fund federal stuff. I mean not really, but they are.
It's not like they honor the budget after they pass it anyways. Trump just comes in and says he's not paying it and the Republicans let him. Why bother with any deal like that
Republicans want to believe they're the party of Fiscal Responsibility. They need at least some evidence to that affect, or else they lose their own perception of themselves. The debt ceiling is one of those.
They lost this a long time ago. At best, it is just a vestigial of the Republican party. A lame excuse everyone knows is a lie that they will trot out every once in awhile when they still find the need to show off their virtue against an opponent.
Yes, that's all correct. They still need to believe it about themselves.
Americans will never miss their water until the well runs dry.
It's not that Americans are all racist, or all ignorant... it's that enough of them don't spare a thought to think things through until it effects them personally.
Welcome to life in America. Where intelligence and common sense aren't so common. People will literally kill you so they can happily vote against their own interests.
Truth.
Living in Canada is like having crazy downstairs neighbours but for some reason one of our roommates keeps inviting them upstairs.
I have not been to the USA in a decade. Literally the only reason I'll ever, ever, return is to visit Casa Bonita in Colorado... ideally on a layover.
This is true of people in general. While comfortable enough, or able to rationalize the discomfort away, people tend to not want to change. It takes a large shove to get people to act. Having a huge and diverse country with lots of built-in disconnects doesn't help.
It affects me personally that you used the wrong form of "effect/affect".
I hope your comment effects a correction.
Why are Democrats trying to make deals with fascists is the real headline.
Yeah... that's how things work. What, should they just bring in guns and kill them all? No, their job is to get the best outcome they can get (in their opinion). You can let the Fascists do whatever they want or you can try to make it as painless as possible while they progress. I prefer the latter.
It's the citizenry's job to fight them. Legislators do what they can in congress to slow them down and we fight them where we can. Giving up all power in congress is stupid. It should be used as best as possible, which is not just giving up.
TBF it is their job attend legislative sessions. I agree with the spirit of your comment.
To answer your question... clearly the weren't trying that hard.
I disagree. I would argue that their job is to represent their constituents. Sometimes that might involve attending legislative sessions. Other times that might involve intentionally not engaging with the opposition party, if that is in the best interests of the constituents.
yeah we all know trumps diplomatic skills he put on display at the un. Our country can survive if republicans grow a pair and impeach this guy.
Get ready for the coup.
What do they need a coup for? They control the whole damn thing.
They don't though, clearly. Republicans control congress, but Republicans clearly aren't a hive mind. A coup would put all power under the executive. It gives one person the power to make decisions where the party as a whole may disagree occasionally.
Also, mid terms are coming up. They very well may lose control of congress.
Putin wants chaos so Trump and his gang deliver chaos.