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With just over 24 hours before the government is set to shutdown, Donald Trump and congressional leaders from both parties emerged from a high-stakes White House meeting on Monday with no agreement, setting the stage for large swaths of the federal government to close after midnight Wednesday.

The impasse came after closed-door talks between the four top congressional leaders and Trump in the Oval Office, where lawmakers appeared to trade blame but make little progress towards a deal. “There are still large differences between us,” Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer told reporters after the meeting, claiming that Republicans refused to engage on their core demands around health care and restoring previous funding cuts.

“Their bill has not one iota of Democratic input,” he added, taking aim at a House-passed seven-week stopgap funding bill that Senate Democrats rejected last week. “That is never how we’ve done this before.”

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 points 36 minutes ago

The Republicans shut down the government to prevent the release of the Epstein files.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 55 seconds ago

Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania was the lone Democrat to vote with a majority of Republicans in favor of the bill on Sept. 19

I think we can all safely say that Fetterman isn't a Democrat anymore. He should be ejected from the party.

[–] JHRD1880@lemmy.world 5 points 57 minutes ago

Good, let it shut down. Let the people know that Republicans can't govern and will 100% abandon them to protect Trump.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 4 points 1 hour ago

"Anarchists celebrate and say let's keep it that way"

[–] updn@lemmy.ca 12 points 2 hours ago

The Democrats caved to Trump the last time, they better not cave this time.

I think that's why Reps are gearing up for war. This could get nasty.

[–] easybre_bb@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Better headline, US government will shutdown because Republicans don’t want meet Democrat request for votes that are required to keep the government open, in exchange for allowing poor people or those in terrible situations to have a functioning health coverage safety net.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

Fuck MAGA

Shut it down!

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 7 hours ago

Let the federal government stay that way. Blue states should start picking up services where the federal government left off. And the feds don't need their tax money, either.

[–] Gates9@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 7 points 3 hours ago

Not a fan, but props to him for not caving (so far).

[–] ysjet@lemmy.world 88 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

Time can go fuck itself for this bullshit headline. "Democrats leave White House with no deal"?

How about "Republicans refuse Democrat deal, setting stage for Republican Government shutdown"

Or maybe something like "Republicans Refuse To Give Americans Benefits and Medical they Pay For, Govenment Shutdown Imminent"

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago

It is pretty obvious, the narrative has been completely captured. All news only reports what these imbeciles say. No pushback, always giving them the deference.

This happened after 9/11 in a very pronounced way. No serious or widespread criticism was allowed in mainstream media. Although the government did apply some pressure it was mostly voluntary.

What do you do when all the pseudo rulling institutions capitulate to a tyrant willingly? What happen when the government becomes indistinguishable from the mob?

The answer is not much, because it has happened many times before already. People need to wake up.

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 5 points 10 hours ago

We're so fucked.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 56 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans don’t want a deal. Then they can make up whatever they want about democrats and claim they’re the problem and maneuver for more power grabs.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

They can (and do) do that anyway. I don't think that's the plan here. To the halfway reasonable people, Republicans control congress. This is on them. The minority party's job us to play hardball. To the people listening to whatever Republicans say without question, it doesn't matter. They can make up anything they want a blame democrats. This doesn't do anything for them.

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

This is a result of ideology becoming even more important to them than politics, I think.

[–] 0ndead@infosec.pub 139 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Trump wants this shutdown. He was never gonna deal.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 75 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

It's a budget, he needs 50 votes and there's 53 senators with a R by their names...

If there's a shutdown it's cuz trump ordered it.

Schumer "negotiating" just makes it easier for idiots to blame it on Dems.

Mainstream media at large is acting like budget reconciliation isn't a thing...

The procedure overrides the Senate's filibuster rules, which may otherwise require a sixty-vote supermajority for passage. Bills described as reconciliation bills can pass the Senate by a simple majority of fifty-one votes or fifty votes plus the vice president's as the tie-breaker.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconciliation_(United_States_Congress)

trump doesn't need a single D vote in the House or Senate to pass a budget, he just doesn't want to

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 32 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

This is a funding bill, which is different than the budget/reconciliation process. He needs 60 votes.

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[–] ProfessorPeregrine@reddthat.com 22 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Majority in House but 60 votes in Senate are needed to avoid a filibuster, which will require some Democrats.

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[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 36 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

No he doesn't. He needs to pay ICE agents. He needs the government to stay open.

Shutting the government down and keeping it shut down inhibits his ability to progress with fascism.

Shut the government down and what happens to the soldiers deployed to US streets?

No. Shut it the fuck down. Its idiotic to allow it to stay open.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 15 hours ago

I know some things continue to operate no matter what. I don't remember if ICE do. I'm sure border patrol continues to operate to some extent, but I have no idea to what degree. The same for the military. They still continue to some degree, but they have to scale down what jobs get done.

This is a long way to say, yes. I agree with you. However, it won't stop totally.

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[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago

They have the majority. Should have told them to make a deal with themselves if they actually give a shit.

But controlled opposition, doing controlled opposition things, to maintain the illusion of democracy.

[–] AmericanEconomicThinkTank@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

What did anyone expect anything different?

[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago

Yes, I expected Democrats to spinelessly cave. Pleasantly surprised so far, though there's still time.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 80 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Americans will never miss their water until the well runs dry.

It's not that Americans are all racist, or all ignorant... it's that enough of them don't spare a thought to think things through until it effects them personally.

[–] Theprogressivist@lemmy.world 63 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Welcome to life in America. Where intelligence and common sense aren't so common. People will literally kill you so they can happily vote against their own interests.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Truth.

Living in Canada is like having crazy downstairs neighbours but for some reason one of our roommates keeps inviting them upstairs.

I have not been to the USA in a decade. Literally the only reason I'll ever, ever, return is to visit Casa Bonita in Colorado... ideally on a layover.

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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 16 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

This is true of people in general. While comfortable enough, or able to rationalize the discomfort away, people tend to not want to change. It takes a large shove to get people to act. Having a huge and diverse country with lots of built-in disconnects doesn't help.

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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Genuine question, can't they just...not shut down?

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

Better question: can't we just fire the government and just live free?

[–] khannie@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

No. Someone may correct me if I'm wrong but they have an agreed debt ceiling and without an agreement raising it they're essentially out of money to fund federal stuff. I mean not really, but they are.

[–] RagingRobot@lemmy.world 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's not like they honor the budget after they pass it anyways. Trump just comes in and says he's not paying it and the Republicans let him. Why bother with any deal like that

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Republicans want to believe they're the party of Fiscal Responsibility. They need at least some evidence to that affect, or else they lose their own perception of themselves. The debt ceiling is one of those.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

They lost this a long time ago. At best, it is just a vestigial of the Republican party. A lame excuse everyone knows is a lie that they will trot out every once in awhile when they still find the need to show off their virtue against an opponent.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 5 hours ago

Yes, that's all correct. They still need to believe it about themselves.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 31 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

Why are Democrats trying to make deals with fascists is the real headline.

[–] Canconda@lemmy.ca 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

TBF it is their job attend legislative sessions. I agree with the spirit of your comment.

To answer your question... clearly the weren't trying that hard.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 12 points 22 hours ago (6 children)

I disagree. I would argue that their job is to represent their constituents. Sometimes that might involve attending legislative sessions. Other times that might involve intentionally not engaging with the opposition party, if that is in the best interests of the constituents.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 15 hours ago

Yeah... that's how things work. What, should they just bring in guns and kill them all? No, their job is to get the best outcome they can get (in their opinion). You can let the Fascists do whatever they want or you can try to make it as painless as possible while they progress. I prefer the latter.

It's the citizenry's job to fight them. Legislators do what they can in congress to slow them down and we fight them where we can. Giving up all power in congress is stupid. It should be used as best as possible, which is not just giving up.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 12 points 22 hours ago

yeah we all know trumps diplomatic skills he put on display at the un. Our country can survive if republicans grow a pair and impeach this guy.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 14 points 23 hours ago (1 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 22 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

What do they need a coup for? They control the whole damn thing.

[–] quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 points 1 hour ago

The coup is us kicking them out of power.

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