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Defense secretary’s speech touching on physical fitness and doctrine of lethality was seen as ‘egotistical’ and ‘dangerous’

Naveed Shah, a veteran and activist who served as an enlisted public affairs specialist – an army journalist – uncharacteristically found himself searching for words to describe the address of the newly styled secretary of war to flag officers on Tuesday.

“A lot of the words that are coming to me aren’t fit to print,” said Shah, policy director for Common Defense, a veterans advocacy organization. “The people in that room who have served for 20, 30-plus years in uniform do not need Pete Hegseth to tell them about warrior ethos.”

Hegseth’s hour-long Ted talk-style address touching on physical fitness, the doctrine of lethality and the perils of DEI certainly drew more attention than a policy memo might have, and perhaps more than Donald Trump’s rambling, politically charged hour-long speech that followed.

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[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Hegseth's hour-long Ted talk-style address

This is an oxymoron. TED talks are twenty minutes long because that is how long people can pay attention, even if the content is interesting.

Therefore, Hegseth's address was not TED talk-style.

[–] skeptomatic@lemmy.ca 7 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It was full of narcissism, self importance, and unnecessary solutions to problems that are made up or don't exist... So pretty much a TED talk.

[–] logicbomb@lemmy.world 3 points 21 hours ago

I don't watch a lot of TED talks, but that's not been my experience. It sounds more like TEDx to me.

[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 36 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There needs to be a new definition...

Heg Talk: A long-winded, egotistical rant in which someone who is not qualified for a job lectures those who are far more knowledgeable and experienced about stupid topics.

[–] BiggestPiggest@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Hegsplaining

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 day ago

That's not what oxymoron means.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Reminder that 70% of veterans voted for Trump and Republicans so I doubt that this is the majority opinion of the DUI hire and his dementia buddy's speech.

[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 20 hours ago

Living up to the moniker of 'suckers and losers'.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 50 points 1 day ago

“Basically, he’s saying that we’re no better than Hamas because people are joining because they want to break things and they want to kill people,” she said. “I mean, for anyone that’s been in the military, he’s not qualified to be secretary of defense. He’s barely qualified to be a host on Fox News.

“But to say these things in front of the preeminent generals and admirals leading our military? Has he no honor, to say that we don’t belong in polite society? Maybe he doesn’t.”

He’s barely qualified to be a host on Fox News. 🔥

[–] the_q@lemmy.zip 56 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Are they going to stop following orders though?

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think their lack of applause and total silence speaks volumes.

Trump even commented that it was the quietest room he'd ever been in. Someone laughed. Trump told them not to laugh and that if they didn't agree they could leave and lose their rank.

I think it went absolutely terribly for them.

Here's hoping.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He really said that to the person who laughed? I mean, I should not be surprised.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah I'm not on Twitter or any of the kicroblog sites where all the clips seems to be, but this YouTuber did a video on the event which shows a couple such clips.

3:10 Hegseth gets no applause when he clearly expected it

4:36 trump gets laughed at.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 day ago

Absurd times, man. Wow.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 37 points 1 day ago

We're going to find out.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Right? I'm sorry but the words of Bill Hicks still being true years after his death. Fuck the military.

https://youtu.be/BTFUI6kp8qQ

The people of the US are experiencing internally what most global south country have experienced heavily since WW2.

We have normalized violence against targets we label as "terrorists". The only difference now is the "terrorist" happen to have been born on/live on the dirt we call the USA.

These Joes are use to killing innocent people. We've normalized it for generations. Don't be shocked when a bunch of hired killers start doing their job at home.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

miss the dark poet to this very day, always spot on

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 64 points 1 day ago

You can't treat a room full of leaders like a room full of followers and expect it to be in anyway productive...

trump treats everyone as a followerer, which is why the wealthy and powerful only like him when they're grifting him.

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 38 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's always good to try and set up a fascist regime while pissing off all your high ranking military officers. Having the military by your side is woke !

[–] bigfondue@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They're setting up for a purge of anyone loyal to the US over Trump

[–] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't be surprised obviously, but it feels more like they're setting themselves up for a military coup. You can't piss off pretty much all your high commandment like that and expect them to be loyal.

[–] Bwaz@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Perhaps Democratic candidates should pledge to reinstate any military officers, with full pension, that get dismissed by the Trump regime -- when/if the winds change. Or a blanket pledge to reverse every executive order made by Trump. People need a way to see light at the end of this narrowing tunnel.

[–] ech@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I figured the same, but now I'm of the mind we've once again given the fools too much credit. Maybe that was the impetus for the event, but this embarrassment is far from the test of loyalty many were expecting. As always, incompetence is their strongest characteristic.

[–] Tarquinn2049@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They may be following the detailed recipe of those that came before them, but they're using spoiled ingredients.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's not how this works. Fascism is a constant stream of filtering those that will stop following its orders one step at a time. This is just more of that. By the time they are gunning down protesters in the streets there won't be one Joe left that is willing to stand against it. That's the point. Don't hope the military is gonna be "honorable".

All that honor crap is just a means of keeping them following orders. They're not your saviors. They've always just been the people that kill people for those in power.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This jingoism brought to you by Carl's Junior and the NFL.

[–] wheezy@lemmy.ml 0 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'll be honest. Never heard that term until now. Had to look it up. I guess in America we literally have always had the aggressive foreign wars so having a separate term from Nationalism isn't really too helpful.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Its etymology is not North American in origin.

[–] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 day ago

One thing every general knows is that appalled silence looks and sounds exactly like respectful silence, and can also be a two hour eyes-open nap.

[–] ravenaspiring@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

So how much did it cost to drag all of them to his special Ted talk? Government rules sure, but he just dragged all of the flag ranked official he could get his hands on and they are likely to be in hotels not barracks, and most probably flew commercial or use the VIP transports.

[–] Eat_Your_Paisley@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm less concerned about the cost than I am about putting the entire military leadership from POTUS on down into one room at a specific location even if it is Quantico

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip -4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s looks like nothing happened. So that was kind of a moot point even if there’s always a chance.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The ends don't justify the means

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Oh I agree. I think I didn’t explain my point well. Bringing them all in one place was fiscally, operationally and securely stupid, however though people were freaked out that someone was gonna blow them all up or get shot up, and that didn’t happen so it was a moot point in that regards. It was still stupid though.

[–] manxu@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

I mean, it's the War budget we are talking about, Cost is not a factor. The Defense budget was so completely out of control, they could afford building a total electronic surveillance machine that records and stores everything anyone says or write on the Internet, all of that with the pocket change in the Pentagon's couches.

they are likely to be in hotels

Not just any hotels, Trump branded hotels. Gotta keep the grift going.