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[–] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 hours ago

At this point I think you can legally opt out of any type of data collection by the government like the Census. You're required by law to participate but they are also required by law to keep your information safe, that's no longer possible in this administration and there's plenty of relevant data to back it up.

[–] OdinGreif@lemmy.world 6 points 3 hours ago

We‘re getting closer to a cyberpunk world every day

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 22 hours ago (5 children)

I’ve said for a while that the SSA should do basically this exact thing. In a more controlled manner, but still the same result. Announce something like “in two years, we’ll make our database public. Every single name, DOB, and SSN will be publicly searchable.

It sounds radical, but SSNs were never meant to be a secure form of ID. Old cards even said something like “do not use this as ID” on them. But organizations quickly latched onto it because they wanted to have a way to identify individuals with the same name and DOB. And SSNs were convenient because people already had them.

It would force organizations to develop their own way to ID people. It would be a huge step towards making an actual secure form of ID. And the warning time would give people enough time to design the new system and roll it out, while still giving a hard deadline for when it needs to be done.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

There was a time when bank card number was practically all you needed to get someone's money.

I think Estonia's electronic IDs are the best, they have the government sign (sometimes provide, but generally just sign) your public key. It's both that the government doesn't have your private key and that it's immediately usable for many things. I don't know if they do, but one can also make ID cards (with a necessary chip inside, of course), where a private key can be written and used for signing operations, but not read back.

Modern technology allows so much goodness that politicians and corps have just started globally gaslighting us over what can be done and what can't. Stalling on technically easily solvable issues, so that it wouldn't come to real ones.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 2 points 1 hour ago

The simple act of comparing signatures meant that it was very difficult to randomly target people. We don't have anything like that today, like a key/token pair.

[–] angband@lemmy.world 13 points 17 hours ago

No, we don't need this at all. businesses need to be fined out of existence for using the ssn, and lenders should do due diligence without some imaginary score.

[–] Patches@ttrpg.network 28 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Exactly who I trust to create a logically organized database of all peoples within the United States. The current administration..

[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 22 hours ago

I don't love the idea of the Trump administration being in charge of creating a national ID system, but this maybe the best time to make one.

If Democrats proposed a national ID database the crazy 'FEMA is coming to round us up' republicans would freak out about it. As proven with Trump sending the national guard into D.C., as long as Trump does it they don't care.

[–] Bahnd@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I dont have a problem with that, but what I will object to is the current regime making the replament ID system. 1) there is no way they would design it well or securely, smart people capable of building such a system are usually the first to bounce to another country as they will have the means to do so. 2) it would be too easy for them to lord the new ID over peoples heads (like they are with immigration status now) and impliment a social credit score like China does.

Your correct that SSNs should not be used as IDs, but getting the government to build a modern system for that opens too many avanues for abuse (especially with darth cheeto in charge).

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 2 hours ago

and impliment a social credit score like China does.

Honestly you don't need such an official system, and such a commercial system, as that network of data brokers and credit rating providers, already exists. So of that in particular I wouldn't be scared because it's not avoidable anyway. What's avoidable is government's ability to discriminate based on data. Think how.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

I don't know much about it, but what did they change with the whole Real ID / star on Licenses and such. I believe the purpose was to make it so the IDs were to a minimum standard so they could be accepted in all 50 states. If they all had unique ID numbers (I don't know that they do) they could have just used those, or expanded on those and already have the ID system in place. To travel to another state and have a valid ID, I believe the cut off date is November of this year. (At least for my State, because my spouse doesn't drive and her ID she was told would no longer be valid post November if she doesn't go in and get it done)

[–] TheObviousSolution@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago

It could be why it's being done, because SSN are being used inappropriately. Potential leaks like this will force banks and other entities to begin making account access more difficult, and this will make it from difficult to next to impossible for a large number of seniors, those who've saved the most and have the biggest accounts, to access it. This would happen even if it was done in a two year controlled manner.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 138 points 1 day ago (3 children)

They (the DOGE bros, especially Elon) deserve prison time for their fuckery.

[–] SpicyLizards@reddthat.com 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Is the answer, "what is treason"?

Baby, don't skirt it. Don't skirt it. The law.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

double checks the community instance

Yes.........prison

[–] swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 day ago

An extremely short life sentence

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 day ago

Funny, I have an interview invite from DOGE (I considered joining USDS before it became DOGE, had been asked to join by a member back during Obama). Obviously I never did it, but I do keep those emails for historical purposes now haha

[–] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago
[–] SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one 147 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Gee, who could've foreseen this happening after a gang of techbro goons forced their way in and opened backdoors on all those computers...

Forced their way in, were given the keys and explicit orders to take all the data and put it in massive back-door ridden places for themselves and Russia, potato, potahto

[–] Ileftreddit@lemmy.world 27 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

DOGE employees should be executed by firing squad. In fact, we should bring back a whole bunch of capital punishments- hanging, beheading, drawing and quartering, burning at the stake; unless you meet the fascists at their level you’ll never scare them enough to keep their political views private. Like what happened to Mussolini was TOO GOOD for every single person involved in the executive branch right now.

[–] PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Do this to everyone Trump hired or part of his cohort including him. They are all evil gangster criminals.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 52 points 1 day ago (2 children)

OP, please revise your title to match the article, it is currently misinformation.

The complaint is about where the oversight comes from. This is not some random cloud server.

“S.S.A. stores all personal data in secure environments that have robust safeguards in place to protect vital information,” he said. “The data referenced in the complaint is stored in a longstanding environment used by S.S.A. and walled off from the internet. High-level career S.S.A. officials have administrative access to this system with oversight by S.S.A.’s information security team.”

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 10 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

I agree that "random server" is a bad choice of words, but do want to add additional information context as the concern isn't necessarily unwarranted. Another qoute from the article:

“I have determined the business need is higher than the security risk associated with this implementation and I accept all risks,” wrote Aram Moghaddassi, who worked at two of Mr. Musk’s companies, X and Neuralink, before becoming Social Security’s chief information officer, in a July 15 memo.

Its also sounds like they did spin up a new database with limited security/oversight to "move" faster. Why that's worrisome is they aren't denying there is a risk or lack of security, they are just saying it's justified.

[–] nieceandtows@programming.dev 0 points 2 hours ago

Could you please explain like I'm 10?

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[–] lemjukes@sopuli.xyz 12 points 1 day ago

BUT WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE SENSATIONALISM?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 71 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think it was a "random" cloud server at all. I think the people who bought the data already have it now.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 17 points 1 day ago

Half right. OP's title is massively misleading. Private SSA cloud, the complaint is about where oversight comes from.

[–] kameecoding@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago

SSN is a good example of the illusion of freedom for Americans, why have a standardized Photo ID when you can have a set of numbers that when leaks can ruin your life.

[–] peoplebeproblems@midwest.social 20 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

they will have to get rid of social security now. it's the only way

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 1 points 13 hours ago

"You don't have a SSN? Must be an illegal"
-ICE

[–] Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The whole world knows by now that these numbers are good for identifying people, and what a giant data privacy hole it is that they even exist.

So, no wonder, it had to happen sooner or later.

[–] gian@lemmy.grys.it 17 points 1 day ago

The whole world knows by now that these numbers are good for identifying people, and what a giant data privacy hole it is that they even exist.

No, the giant problem is that you can do everything using only SSN.

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