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[–] arsCynic@lemmy.ml 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

Trying to get to someone's definition before arguing is the opposite of obtuse. Although that does make it sound like Jordan Peterson, yikes.

[–] arsCynic@lemmy.ml 0 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (6 children)

While agree that words should have meanings, he definitely still was nearly 40 and apparently preferring the company of a 17 year old. Not a pedo by the evidence presented, ok, but that ice is thin.

That's not thin ice. Paedophiles are attracted to prepubescent children, i.e., below the age of 13. Here's where the ice is at its thinnest to diagnose someone as a paedophile, while ethically one is already submerged of course, when acted upon. It's obviously not to be taken lightly with traumatic life-changing consequences when indulged. This is why it's important to not throw terms around ignoring their meaning. People who actually are born with this condition should find ways to get psychological help to prevent it manifesting into reality. Irresponsibly throwing reputation destroying terms around causes people not to communicate, to suppress, and in the worst cases to satisfy their urges in secret which in turn increases the most wicked forms of suffering.

The aforementioned conditions are not at all present in Seinfeld-Lonstein's case, where context matters. Here's a quote from a book I'm reading which is an apt litmus test to decide if any relationship is weird or not.

“I spent Saturday evening at Leonberg. In Lisa [Remppis] I’ve found a person I can love wholeheartedly. Don’t misunderstand me, though. I realize Lisa’s half a child still, and I’m not depriving her of her childishness. I can’t philosophize with her.” ―Hans Scholl, At the Heart of the White Rose: Letters and Diaries of Hans and Sophie Scholl

Judging from the sources I've read Shoshanna and Jerry were able to talk to each other without one manipulating the other. While it's statistically more unlikely considering their indeed unusual age gap, it does happen. They had a relationship for four years, so clearly it seems she was fine with it. Conversely, I've seen people in their thirties talk to each other where one was clearly dumbing themself down when talking to their significant other, which seemed quite weird.

TL;DR: there's a night and day difference between actual indulging paedophiles who cause human trafficking and unimaginable suffering/death, and haphazardly being attracted to someone in their late adolescence. Conflating the two does the victims and the justice system a disservice. The former belongs to the most horrible forms of human depravity, while the latter, well, doesn't. If one needs to manipulate another to form a connection, then it is ethically wrong regardless of age.

[–] arsCynic@lemmy.ml -1 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (9 children)

still illegal

Apparently it wasn't:

“The minimum legal age of consent to sex in New York is now and was then 17. They dated for approximately four years, from 1993 to 1997. During the relationship, she transferred from George Washington University to UCLA, in part to be with Seinfeld; she cited constant press coverage and missing New York City as reasons for the relationship ending.” ―https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshanna_Lonstein_Gruss

I don't understand why people feel the need to call others things they're not and simultaneously want to be taken seriously in a debate. If words have no meaning then what's the point? Jerry Seinfeld strikes me as a pretentious greedy immoral douchebag and his comparison with the KKK can stand on its own as a proper reason for ridicule.

[–] arsCynic@lemmy.ml -4 points 14 hours ago (10 children)

Dating a much younger person.

So, a large age gap is automatically predatory? When I was in my early twenties I had something with someone 30 years older. Was she predatory even though there was consent?

[–] arsCynic@lemmy.ml -5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

You know who likes to split hairs between liking children, prepubescent teens, and teenagers?

Doctors, lawyers, judges.

[–] arsCynic@lemmy.ml -5 points 16 hours ago (13 children)

Jerry Seinfeld is also a pedophile: https://www.thedailybeast.com/jerry-seinfelds-17-year-old-girlfriend-saga-resurfaces-after-duke-walkout/

While Jerry's statement "'Free Palestine' are worse than the Ku Klux Klan" is absolutely moronic, he is not attracted to prepubescent children:

“Pedophilia (alternatively spelled paedophilia) is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a sexual attraction to prepubescent children. Although girls typically begin the process of puberty at age 10 or 11, and boys at age 11 or 12, psychiatric diagnostic criteria for pedophilia extend the cut-off point for prepubescence to age 13.” ―https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

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