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Jerry Seinfeld says people who say 'Free Palestine' are worse than the Ku Klux Klan
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No. They could lay down arms, stop firing rockets at Israel, and return hostages. How hard is that to grasp?
And Israel could have ended this on October 8 by releasing the thousands Palestinian hostages they were holding without charges, without trial, in prisons treat viciously. Thats what Hamas asked for and why. Hamas took hostages to trade back their people with.
Israel wanted to keep holding people without charge and have a reason to bomb and steal from civilians more than they wanted their own hostages back.
That's one of the things they asked for. They also demand the elimination of the state of Israel and vowed for there never to be peace until that happened.
If I had a shekel for every nonsensical argument Israel frames as "elimination of the state of israel" or "kill us all" or "drive us into the sea", I'd be a rich person.
Hamas did not demand the elimination of the state of Israel. You're just making stuff up.
This is why peace negotiations with zionists are so hopeless. You lie about whats going on because you never wanted peace, you just want to not be seen as murderers and thieves. Look at the polls, thats not working. Even in the US. You need to stop digging the hole you are standing in and start being honest here.
It's in Hamas' charter. It's what they chant. I know you don't want believe that narrative (me neither), but that doesn't make it less so.
I'm not an Israeli or a Jew or affiliated to any degree except I have some Jewish friends - some who live or who have lived in Israel, just as I have some Palestinian friends. Palestinians that I've talked to who are out of the control of Hamas say that Hamas is pure evil. Such Palestinians don't support the killing of civilians in Gaza any more that I do and they see Israel's latest policies as abhorrent, as do I. Of course most of them got out of that area of the world when they had a chance because they recognize that there's too many stubborn assholes on both sides that will never accept any feasible peace despite the incredible harm such a position does.
They're murdering children. Go ahead and weasel out of that.
Weasel out of what? I've alsready condemned what Israel is doing. Just as I condemn what Hamas is doing. You?
Do you see anyone cheering for Hamas?
Yes, indirectly. Whenever any blame is put on Hamas it gets a barrage of deflection attacking Israeli actions. Some people even outright support Hamas and cite Israel's actions.
The bottom line is that there is an objectively worse party between the two. They are in the middle of carrying out an active genocide. They're both terrible organizations, we all understand that. One is systematically starving, imprisoning innocent people on an extremely large scale, including children.
We have nearly every "developed" nation supporting that. People are justifiably vilifying Israel for painfully obvious reasons.
Worse right now yes. But Hamas is purposefully keeping it going too, it's a pretty close 2nd. Hamas ramped this thing up in the Oct attacks for nothing but for getting social media hits of Gaza civilians getting smoked by Israel's garunteed response. Hamas purposely put Israel in a position where they'd need to respond brutally. It doesn't excuse Israel's actions now of course, but I think Hamas should share more of the responsibility than what posters here seem to realize.
Again. No one is condoning Hamas actions.
I wish that were true.
Even if it weren't, I am not saying that, and arguing what I'm saying as if I did or should be associated with anyone that did is not helping you or anyone.
Look back at this thread. I was responding with a clarification of how Hamas could meaningfully end the war. And you responded with an attack on Israel's actions. You were not wrong, but it was a deflection of the cretic on Hamas. That is a form of supporting Hamas. I understand it was a knee jerk reaction to what you perceived as the same kind of deflection of a criticism of Israeli actions. But I definitively condemned Israels actions while also pointing out that Hamas is also keeping this going.
What other people are doing does not give zionists a reason to commit genocide of civilians. There is no universe where thats allowed. zionists dont get a "genocide is OK here" card based on their accusations of others.
Israel has done nothing to deescalate this war, and they have also proven that their word cannot be trusted. Hamas should absolutely release every hostage, but that will not end this war.
I probably should have started with that.
Hamas surrendering probably wouldn't immediately stop this war now as Isreal is so far down the psycho rabbit hole. But I would think (hope) that it would trigger a lot more pressure from within the U.S. to stop it.
It wouldn't, we know for a fact a genocide is happening and we are literally funding it.
The point is that the U.S. defends its support of Israel as helping Israel defeat Hamas. That argument goes away if Hamas surrenders. No it might not stop the U.S. as the US government seems to be a bunch of loonies these days, but one might hope that it could trigger enough grass roots pressure to make a difference.
Have you considered that killing people's children (directly or indirectly through forces like starvation, lack of medical care, etc.) might be one of the best recruitment motivators for Hamas?
Yeah, it's probably not great for Israel long term. But Hamas will never allow peace while Israel exists. Kinda fucked up all around.
"Not great" you say?
Israel may end up nuked. It seems inevitable at this point. And its like zionists couldnt care less about the danger they put themselves and the rest of the world in.
Seems like the whole world is rushing to wwiii. Fucking cray cray
Militants are on the order of 1 in 40 people in Gaza. Even if they should lay down their arms Israel should still push them off their lands and kill them to make way for illegal settlers as they have been doing