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Hello, Linux Developer (lemmy.ml)

submitted 5 months ago by cm0002@lemmy.world to c/programmer_humor@programming.dev

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[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Actually! Wheel11 is really outdated, which is why im building wheeland, which is more secure and <...>

[+] popcornpizza@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 0 points 5 months ago (1 children)

'tis the wheeland experience :3. At least we can have monitors with different refresh rates tho

As is we do kinda have 2 standards, both equally bad, and you just have to pick your poison

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

If "the wheel" is achieved by making literally every application you run a keylogger, I'm very cool with Wayland "reinventing the wheel". X11's handling of user input is a fucking embarrassment.

Besides just the Steam Deck and Proton, a big reason people are finally sticking around on Linux is because using X11 feels exactly like what it is: a cobbled-together piece of archaic shit that needs to be left behind.

Wayland by contrast feels fantastic to run, and on my GTX 1070 with proprietary drivers, the only current issue I have with it is how Firefox picture-in-picture popouts don't stay on top by default.

[–] FilthyShrooms@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not sure how this applies when:

X11 was the only standard prior to Wayland.
GNOME is dropping X11 in a short time.
KDE's telemetry even five months ago showed 80+% of (that portion of) their userbase uses Wayland, and they plan to drop X11 once they have a concrete set of problems worked out.
Hyprland and Sway run Wayland exclusively.
Cinnamon, MATE, and Xfce are working on Wayland sessions. Cinnamon's is there but, I think, still experimental.
Budgie is working to go Wayland-only.
There's no sign that Wayland will stop improving from a state that's arguably already much better than X11.
X11's actual maintainers barely want anything to do with it beyond bug fixes, and the only person who wants to "innovate" it via a fork is a bigot and a fucking moron who doesn't know things you learn in CS 101.
X11's maintainers are majorly involved in developing Wayland and have been since the start. This is their idea.

It seems like it went from "Situation: there is one standard" to "Situation: there are two standards developed by largely the same people with one set to replace the other", and then soon: "Situation: there is one standard and one translation layer kept around for a decade or so for compatibility."

Not every single time someone tries to make things better is this xkcd relevant; this had nothing to do with unifying standards and everything to do with superseding one.