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I hate when bombing civilians and stripping rights distracts from the only issue that matters smh π
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this post was submitted on 22 Sep 2025
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At the heart of the "we mustn't be distracted away from the Epstein scandal" crowd is the naive belief that we have simply yet to find the perfect argument that, when shown to the frothing genocidal fascists, will somehow magically turn them 180 degrees and renounce american fascism.
It is this supremely liberal idea that you can wriggle yourself out of fascism if you find the right facts and logic, the most epic slam, the most cutting late night TV monologue, to show a right winger and have them renounce fascism. It's based in the incorrect idea that the wheel of history turns via ideas. The idea that the marketplace of ideas, in combination with certain "Great Men", are the ultimate arbiters of history.
Fascism doesn't work like that. You could drop 4k footage of Trump committing the acts, and nothing would change. If you want to halt fascism, you've either got to squash it with guns and tanks, or you give people healthcare, education, retirement, and socialization.
I was agreeing with your argument but you seem to come to the opposite conclusion as me.
These fools already vote against their own interests. They had pensions, union jobs, government funded infrastructure, benefits. They voted to give all of that away and embrace fascism because they were emotionally manipulated to do so. You can give a Truml voter all of the facts you want: climate change, vaccines, immigration, taxes. They aren't moved by any of that. The people who would be moved by that already know better and never would have supported Trump in the first place. I understand a lot of people here fall into that category, but we must be careful not to fall into an echo chamber and ignore just how dumb and irrational huge swathes of Americans are because that's how we got into this mess.
If you want to dislodge Trump's current supporters, you need to attack their emotions. Bombing thousands of Muslim kids in the middle east doesn't move the needle, but a dozen or so good white Christian girls who had their precious virginity stolen from them? (I don't mean to belittle the suffering of the victims, just to illustrate that this appeals to mysoginists and Christian nationalists). That gets clicks, that drives outrage.
Fascists build their own reality and that is only reinforced by any attempt to "debate" them.