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Itd be nice if they faked the bad oath to secretly protect the constitution.
This is actually a tactic listed in the official CIA “Simple Sabotage” handbook. Basically, if you can’t overtly sabotage things by blowing them up while maintaining your cover, work to sabotage things from inside instead.
Get a job in middle management, and do everything in your power to live up to the term “middle manglement”. Do your job as poorly as possible while still maintaining plausible deniability. Make it difficult for people around you to do their jobs. Give other managers bad info. Sow division via gossip. Divert employees towards busy work so they can’t focus on important tasks. Waste budgets. Ensure deadlines get missed, while demanding unreasonable deadlines for other teams. Et cetera…
And I can guarantee that generals will be well aware of this fact. Plenty of them got into their spots by being war dogs, but they won’t be stupid.
This reads similar to what Wilhelm Canaris allegedly did.
You just described every middle manager ever.
What if all middle managers are just plants from competing companies?
In every company I've worked for that had middle managers, they spent 80% of their time trying to justify their position with self-assigned busy work to try to look useful for the company.
Years ago, I read an article by a Democrat who got a job working for a local Republican campaign office, just so he could be incompetent at it.
While he was sabotaging things, he caught the flu. He came to work anyway, and smeared his flu-ridden saliva on doorknobs, computer keyboards and mouses, etc. Within a week, most of the office was sick, in the middle of a big campaign.
Just thinking out loud here.
Faking it also give them power. If all the generals go in an give an oath to the furher, they don't all have to mean it for it to have far reaching effects.
But if you're not going to take the oath, I feel like you have to have a real plan for resistance beyond just get escorted... out.
It doesn't help that our government was founded with a core principle of the military being subservient to a civilian command.
These are smart people entrusted with the most powerful military in history. If anyone can find a strategy to prevent the Fourth Reich, it's them.
They cross their fingers while saying it and it’s legally non-binding
If it ever came down to it, I would seriously float that to a judge.
"Yes, your honor, I took that abominable pledge, because I wanted to stay in my position, and fight from within, so I crossed my fingers, and I MEANT IT! I never renounced my original pledge, and I never properly took the new one."
I feel like that's probably the logic of a lot of Nazi generals who just you know continued to be Nazi generals. As in just self justification.
It's much easier to sit back and save your own skin, as history has shown us countless times.
Most people are not extraordinarily brave, including generals.
At that point you're comparing oath versus oath. If oaths don't mean anything, some of them will say they may as well discard their Constitutional one.
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