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[–] EtnaAtsume@lemmy.world 97 points 2 months ago (5 children)

This may come as a shock to anons who filter their entire existence through video games but literature does not need to operate according to rules of game balance.

[–] i_am_a_cardboard_box@lemmy.world 66 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Cinema, not literature. In the books the undead army is way less OP than in the movie adaptation. Their only weapon is fear, and they do not liberate minas tirith, but only scare the mercenaries off their black sail ships. Aragon uses the boats to quick travel to minas tirith with his elf and half elven friends and fresh troops from the south.

[–] Klear@quokk.au 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Their only weapon is fear

Fear and surprise

[–] Hozerkiller@lemmy.ca 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency.

[–] anton@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope....

[–] Klear@quokk.au 8 points 2 months ago

...

I'll come in again.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 9 points 2 months ago

What about the limitless coffers of Rome?

[–] prototact@lemmy.zip 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Ye I don't blame Jackson for changing it, there was less time to explain in the movie and the payoff was bigger. What works in books does not always work in films and vice versa

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

Jackson's changes are generally improvements to the story or at worst understandable compromises for a different medium.

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 38 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yes! The answer is “you can't, and that's the point.”

[–] RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It just makes other threars in the world feel a bit meaningless

[–] zloubida@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No necessarily. Sauron was taken by surprise, so he may have countermeasures at his disposal if there would be other encounters.

Even if not, it makes the refusal of Aragorn to use them again even more noble, which is the literary goal of their existence.

[–] ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Even if not, it makes the refusal of Aragorn to use them again even more noble, which is the literary goal of their existence.

Maybe, but given that they were trapped in undeath for thousands of years because they didn't hold up their side of the oath, finding out what would happen if Aragorn didn't hold up his side of the same oath seems like a bad idea.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 28 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man, even games don't need to operate according to the rules of game balance. Just look at [current hot live service game's most recent update]!

[–] AGD4@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Man, [current hot live service game] has really gone down hill since [game's most recent update] released. It's like the Devs don't even care anymore, y'know?

[–] stray@pawb.social 11 points 2 months ago

It's been shit for over 10 years now, but I just keep paying them every month, and I don't know what I'm doing with my life.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

"A story is not a machine that does what you tell it. A story is a beast with a life of its own. You can create it, shape it, but as the story grows, it starts wanting things of its own. Change one thing, and you set off a chain reaction of events that spreads through the whole thing. The characters have to be true to themselves. The events need to follow a logic that fits the story. A single flaw and the magic is gone. The story dies. - Alan Wake" - Sam Lake

Established rules and constraints must be consistent throughout the story, otherwise nerds on the internet with nothing better to do will call you a hack. See: the new Star Wars. Force healing, my ass.

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago

I agree, David Lynch is objectively a bad writer.

/s

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

It's not just Internet nerds. That's a basic rule of literary analysis asa whole.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

I think there's a whole webcomic DM of the Rings that makes fun of this idea at great length.