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[–] ramsay@lemmy.world 66 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I will stop donating to Wikipedia if they use AI

[–] Corn@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wikipedia already has a decades operating cost of savings.

[–] justsomeguy@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

No they don't because they blast it on inflated exec wages.

[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

This is such a tiresome aspect of society. Even if you believe in executives, they certainly don’t need to get paid more than anyone else.

[–] miasmati@lemmings.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why don't they blast execs and reduce the expenses.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

What's funny is that for enormous big systems with network effects we are trying to use mechanisms intended for smaller businesses, like a hot dog kiosk.

IRL we have a thing for those, it's called democracy.

In the Internet it's either anarchy or monarchy, sometimes bureaucratic dictatorship, but in that area even Soviet-style collegial rule is something not yet present.

I'm recently read that McPherson article about Unix and racism, and how our whole perception of correct computing (modularity, encapsulation, object-orientation, all the KISS philosophy even) is based on that time's changes in the society and reaction to those. I mean, real world is continuous and you can quantize it into discrete elements in many ways. Some unfit for your task. All unfit for some task.

So - first, I like the Usenet model.

Second, cryptography is good.

Third, cryptographic ownership of a limited resource is ... fine, blockchains are maybe not so stupid. But not really necessary, because one can choose between a few versions of the same article retrieved, based on web of trust or whatever else. No need to have only one right version.

Fourth, we already have a way to turn sequence of interdependent actions into state information, it's called a filesystem.

Fifth, Unix with its hierarchies is really not the only thing in existence, there's BTRON, and even BeOS had a tagged filesystem.

Sixth, interop and transparency are possible with cryptography.

Seventh, all these also apply to a hypothetical service over global network.

Eighth, of course, is that the global network doesn't have to be globally visible\addressable to operate globally for spreading data, so even the Internet itself is not as much needed as the actual connectivity over which those change messages will propagate where needed and synchronize.

Ninth, for Wikipedia you don't need as much storage as for, say, Internet Archive.

And tenth - with all these one can make a Wikipedia-like decentralized system with democratic government, based on rather primitive principles, other than, of course, cryptography involved.

(Yes, Briar impressed me.)

EDIT: Oh, about democracy - I mean technical democracy. That an event (making any change) weren't valid if not processed correctly, by people eligible for signing it, for example, and they are made eligible by a signed appointment, and those signing it are made eligible by a democratic process (signed by majority of some body, signed in turn). That's that blockchain democracy people dreamed at some point. Maybe that's not a scam. Just haven't been done yet.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

How do you prevent sybil attacks without making it overly expensive to vote?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

How do you use Sybil attack for a system where the initial creator signs the initial voters, and then they collectively sign elections and acceptance of new members and all such stuff?

Doesn't seem to be a problem for a system with authorized voters.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Flood them with AI-generated applicants.

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

So why would they accept said AI-generated applicants?

If we are making a global system, then confirmation using some nation's ID can be done, with removing fakes found out later. Like with IRL nation states. Or "bring a friend and be responsible if they are a fake". Or both at the same time.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Would every participant get to see my government-issued ID?

[–] vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

One can elect a small group which will and will sign its connection to something intermediate. Then only they will.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 16 hours ago

How do we know if they're doing a good job without being able to review their work?