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[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

The problem is that a lot of people really are ignorant and gullible enough to not realize that the other nine people are Nazis.

This doesn't make the effect of their actions any less bad. Not knowing that you're helping fascists doesn't make what you're doing any less fascist. But it does matter when it comes to assessing who those people are, and how reachable they are.

Reaching out to fascists is pointless. They know what they're doing and they're going to keep on doing it. But a lot of people make the mistake of thinking this means it's also pointless to reach out to anyone who has ever been duped by fascists. And that's an attitude that very quickly leaves you on a shrinking island with fewer and fewer friends.

This is the trolley problem all over again. Do you want to do the most good, or do you want to avoid anything that makes you feel icky?

Progressives in America need every ally they can get. Whether that's to win the next election, or to win the civil war, numbers still matter. You're not going to get those allies without reaching out to some groups of people that you don't personally like or respect, and one of those groups is the gullible idiots in the middle who have been swayed by false promises.

Telling yourself that every person who's ever voted for Trump is a lost cause just leaves you with fewer people you can call on. It's not a winning strategy. This isn't about being nice, it's not about forgiveness and kindness; it's about doing what it takes to get your country back, before its too late. Even if that makes you feel icky, or forces you to swallow your pride and make nice with people you don't respect or like.

[–] Lukaro@piefed.zip 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I'll keep from getting shit all over myself by not swimming with the assholes who keep shitting in the pool even after being shown where the toilet is. If you want to forgive and befriend the people who want nothing more than to punch you in the balls go right ahead.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 0 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

No, the people you're talking about aren't the people I'm talking about, and the fact that you can't figure out the difference perfectly illustrates my point.

There are people who hate us, and there are people are genuinely just misguided. If you can't figure out the difference you're going to throw away potential allies at a time when you could not possibly need them more.

[–] Lukaro@piefed.zip 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

There are lines of morality that can't be crossed.

[–] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 1 points 14 hours ago

There's nothing moral about allowing your country to fall into fascism because you couldn't swallow your pride.