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this entire thing reads like a fantasy. or some reddit thread where "everyone clapped" to me.
if I was told by a professor on the first day of class which I paid for that I wasn't allowed to use my own note taking method I had been using for decades, I'd just say "No." and if pressed further, I'd take it as high as I needed to. or get a full refund for the class and find another.
this isn't an elementary school. these aren't children. these are adults.
Did you read anything past the first paragraph?
read the entire article yesterday, yes. how can i help?
Yeah, your comment doesn't make any sense. You said that the whole thing reads like a fantasy when he backs it up with studies.
no I meant the expectation that people will just comply without complaint. especially if its not been stated otherwise in the lesson plan or syllabus.
this guy makes it seem like he magically was able to charm people into not using their laptops. and then wrote praises to him for such a thing, and quite frankly I'm certain all of that is embellishment.
I'm all for being more productive in classrooms, but banning note taking methods that quite a few people rely on is just silly.
if people want to join classes where note taking is analog only, that's great and I encourage it. but let me know its that way ahead of time so I don't waste my time having to get a refund for the course.
Just record it and use a transcriber app. Then you can fully focus on the presentation and worry about notes later
Depends on the class. Pretty unreasonable in a 200+ lecture hall, but a respected professor setting up a small seminar like this to remove distractions sounds like a fair prerogative to create an environment conducive to learning.
Ofc if a student asked for a reasonable accommodation that's probably chill too.
“I paid for it” isn’t an excuse to do whatever you want.
The fuck it isn’t
Ok Karen
Why wouldn't it? If you're not bothering others, you should be free to piss your money away.
Because your enrollment in a class is not without consequence. If you are doing poorly due to being distracted by your phone, you are creating harm for other students and the lecturer/professor. Thinking that you are free to behave however you wish just because you are the customer is an extremely consumer-minded Karen-esque mindset.
How are you harming the other people in the class? I'm assuming here that you're being reasonably discrete, have the volume off (or have ear buds in), etc. You not paying attention doesn't really harm anyone else.
Think of it this way .. if you sign up at a karate dojo, there are a ton of rules and norms you'll need to follow. And those rules and norms will be very different dojo to dojo. That's an understood expectation. It's similar to college. The professor is empowered to dictate the structure and norms of their course.
And sure... The professor will dictate their expectations on day 1. If you don't like the structure, you have 2 weeks to change the course with no penalty.
Lower class participation, impact on grading curves, and distracting behavior all have an effect on others.
The second would be a net benefit on the rest of the class, no?
No, I don’t think being assessed relative to subpar students is a benefit. You’d get a better letter grade, sure. But likely a worse education due to “lowering the bar”, which is what you paid for. Educators often can’t grade on absolute scales because the pass/fail ratio of the students factors into their own performance assessment.
Grades don't indicate the quality of your education anyway, they indicate your performance in a class. If someone else does poorly and that benefits your grade, the quality of your education hasn't changed, only your grade.
Taking a seat in a full class to fuck around on your phone could fit that bill. Someone else might have wanted to be in your seat. In this scenario, your actions in that class could have repercussions beyond just the classroom.
Sure, someone else certainly does want that seat, provided your school doesn't suck so much that there's empty seats, but that doesn't mean they deserve that seat. Presumably entry to college is awarded based on merit, and success or failure in college should also be based on merit. If I choose to screw up that chance, then that's on me, and it's probably better that I learn that lesson early in life (i.e. in college) instead of teachers enforcing rigid structure to increase graduation rates.