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Second amendment people....... wheeeeeere arrrre youuuuuuu?
Trump also passed the bump stock ban in his first term. New federal gun regulations under Obama and Biden combined: 0
Yep, most of the major Second Amendment restrictions have happened under the Second Amendment presidents. Reagan, Bush, Trump.
Clinton passed the Brady bill and an AW ban so let's not pretend that didn't happen but yeah, Repubs do wtf they want and the NRA bootlickers keep licking boots.
Oh sure. No one's denying that. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of it. As fucked as the NRA is, you can at least expect them to act consistently with what's in the best interest of the gun sales lobby. Second Amendment people in general not so much.
NRA has been pretty credibly shown to be nothing but a Russian divisionist arm. They really dont care about gun sales, just social unrest
It's definitely some of column A and B for sure.
Always a "but but whatabout cLinToN" as if that resolves the injustice Republicans historically have committed.
-President Donald J Trump
It always fascinated me how Americans are like "you can have a thing that shoots fire and death" but the barrel can't be this long or it can't have rail attachments or it can't fire too fast or be a certain color or whatever.
And don't even think about screwing something on the end of the barrel to make it less damaging to your hearing, that is gangster shit that needs heavy regulation
IIRC, the suppressor thing was to try to curb poaching during the great depression.
The funny thing is that's only a guess. They didn't actually discuss silencers at all when they were passing the law.
Bump stocks are just unsafe though.
Unlike the rest of the rifle. Which is perfectly safe.
The rifle as a tool is just as safe as a log splitter, wood chipper, machete, drone, or the 3000lbs car you hurdle down the highway at 80mph. It’s the operator of those things that can be dangerous.
Bumpstocks, however, make the weapon discharge unexpectedly and is stupid to own or operate.
I hate that argument. I think we can all agree that while all items you listed can be dangerous... Only one is manufactured to intentionally be a weapon. I haven't seen very many wood chipper attacks on schools lately.
Thanks for the laugh, friend. What a great movie.
Tucker & Dale vs. Evil (2010)
…but you’ve seen a rifle take itself to school and start blasting? Recently I’ve seen a guy plow a car into a group of peaceful protesters and I’ve seen a pack of drones fly themselves into Russian bombers.
Even countries that don’t allow citizen weapons are armed to the teeth because their neighbors are as well. The first time I saw an assault rifle in real life was on some sort of police at a TGV station in France… and if your argument is “yeah but they’re trained police and militaries”, those are some of the most unhinged and unstable people I’ve ever met.
I know we need stricter gun control laws, and I know that societies without citizen weapons have lower to no mass shootings. I know we need free/low cost healthcare. I’m arguing that there’s nothing more dangerous about a rifle over other things in your garage but bump stocks make a rifle dangerous and unpredictable.
I'm not going to argue about who should or shouldn't be permitted to own firearms. I grew up around them and in general don't have issue with them. (On a side note: I do have a problem with firearm tough guy culture) I do however think it's silly to pretend they aren't manufactured as weapons and pretend that normal tools and objects are on the same level as them. They are designed to kill.
Funny you compare fire arms to cars, because I believe that both fit in the category of "things your average person should not have in public". I want more regulation on guns AND cars.
And just because nitrous mods are illegal, doesn't make your average car any safer.
Agreed. Fuck cars. Going from LA to SD on the train is so much more peaceful, has WiFi, 120v, the right of way, and beautiful views.
About nitrous, I knew an Impala guy that pulled us out of the office one day and opened his trunk and points to a spare tire on top of a perfectly carpeted and mounted box. Says “do you know what that is?” Ummm, you’re hiding your no2 from the cops? “How did you know!?” Idiot.
A machine specifically designed to kill is not a "tool", unless you count it as a tool of destruction.
Counterpoint… Hunting and gathering. That animal you’re eating didn’t kill itself. My trowel kills some of the plants I’m harvesting, and a fruit starts to die once it’s cut from the vine. Destruction is necessary in life. It isn’t automatically an “evil” word. We as a species wouldn’t exist without destruction, death, and decomposition.
Now, whether the existence of humans at all is a good thing, is a question for Nietzsche and Douglas Adams. We aren’t the greatest.
The cool part about fruit as a food source is that the plant literally makes that part to be eaten, for seed dispersal.
I will never drink civet coffee. I don’t care if my 110 year old Asian auntie demands it, I’d rather take a house slipper to the ear than drink a cup of shitty coffee.
I... mean, that's cool and all, but I just meant that the destruction of nature involved in eating (wild) fruit is limited to something benefitting the creator of that food, rather than killing it.
Show me a log splitter or wood chipper that can be used to kill dozens of people in five ten minutes.
Machete you're still probably only get a few.
Drone? Not unless you strap an explosive to it.
A car is the only one that can even remotely cause mass casualties.
"Just as safe" is an extremely bad faith argument if you even have a basic understanding of guns. Even accidentally, when is the last news story where a five year old Suzy accidentally threw her brother Tommy in a chipper.
Wait until you learn about automatic trigger resets.
unsafe and stupid, like crank triggers and cmags and all sorts of silly rambo shit 2a idiots like to fetishize.
fuck I think anyone trying to call a 5.56 rifle cut down into 'pistol' form should have their fucking heads examined, that is by far the dumbest shit I've ever seen. "oh it's the atf's fault for having loopholes in their rules" yeah, because no one in their right minds would call a rifle w/o the buffer tube a fucking pistol.
basically the entire gun fetish is dumb. you want to fuck with guns, explosives and hurt people? get fucking paid for the experience mate, the military is happy to train. but no, the ice lardasses can't even do 15 pushups or run 1.5 miles in 16 minutes lol. but they want their guns un huhhhnn
awww the rifle pistol crowd is cranky with their fetish being called out. boo fuckin hooo
They have a buffer tube, otherwise they wouldn't cycle, unless we are talking about something like the SIG MCX then the buffer system isn't in the tube.
They just don't have the stock making it not intended to shoulder, the stock, not the buffer tube is what makes an SBR.
yeah this isn't universal. I've seen one setup that had no tube, assumed that was the silly ass attraction to the whole stupid fucking thing. had some kind of warty plug bit that was maybe 2" long where the buffer tube assembly would be, assumed it was a something along these lines:
https://www.80-lower.com/80-lower-blog/how-to-build-a-bufferless-ar-instructions/
If the bulk of them have tubes what's the fucking point then? so you can have your 'arm brace' mounted to something?
it's all so fucking stupid
It's to make the gun not a rifle. Rifles have to have stocks, that's it, that's the point. If you want a short gun that shoots an intermediate cartridge it's an AR which is really common and the ammo is cheap, or an AK which skips the buffer tube but ammo is more expensive. Or something like a cut down mosin nagant since they used to be really cheap so why not.
ok buddy. look, you can't just make shit up for whatever you want either.
the defining characteristic of a rifle is not a stock, it's the rifled fucking barrel. a musket had a stock, it doesn't make it a fucking rifle.
so fucking sick of the 2a dictionary squad having to sound off at every single fucking thing they perceive as inaccurate from their years of deep training with the gravy seals meal team six.
It's actually the law, more specifically the ATF said so. With one exception I'm aware of https://www.northeastshooters.com/xen/threads/nfa-sbr-exceptions-for-weapons-of-historical-significance.148749/
ah ok will mount up my smoothbore SBR and start yeeting .50 meinie balls at the enemy, lol why the fuck not oh yeah because it's a fucking musket
go for it man, you show them how stupid their laws are. mmmHMMM
Actually that's a thing: https://franklinarmory.com/shop/firearms/reformation-rs7-5-56-nato/
Not quite smoothbore but not exactly rifles either that's the point.
I've always been amazed at the silly and stupid lengths gunnuts will go to avoid the letter of the law while shitting down the throat of the actual intent.
Their mouth is full
In fairness to them, a lot of guntube, gunsexual youtubers, are clinically dissecting every aspect of Charlie Kirk's assasination.
Long story short: Tyler Robinson is almost certainly a patsy, there was almost certainly a shooter up and to Kirk's right, from nearly 90 degrees, thats where the shot came from, it is physically impossible that the damage seen, and reported in the autopsy, was caused by a 30.06 from almost straight in front of him.
Almost every single detail about the scenario as presented by the FBI is completely impossible to make work all together.
A lot of guntube is very, very pissed about this, they know the administration is blatantly and obviously lying to them and everyone.
And no, I am not going to bother arguing the validity of this with any more idiots who know nothing about firearms, these guntubers are correct, I am am just pointing out that... there is actually some motion there, from the 2A crowd.
Got links?
Sure!
You'd probably have to watch more than one vid from this guy's channel at this point to... get the whole picture, but here we go:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=zTbaj8DNE3I
Thats him going into the autopsy, and how the described wounds and injuries are just impossible from a straight on 30.06 shot.
He has another video debunking two common but impossible theories, one being that Kirk was wearing body armor and the shot some how deflected 90 degrees (he was not wearing body armor), another one that ... apparently some people were saying his lapel mic exploded or was a gun itself, also bullshit...
He goes through a bunch of stuff.
He is also apparently personally going to various places to document No Kings, ICE protests... I have not watched those videos... but it should be pretty obvious that this dude is your actual stereotypical angry Republican with a Gun...
And in this video, at least the first couple minutes...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HRs138gtWV0
He says something like 'No wonder everyone is pissed when all but maybe 3 of your politicians are comprised by Mossad', which is a bit hyperbolic, but not really wrong, hooray AIPAC, and also ... seemingly genuinely, shouts 'Release the Epstein Files!' while marching with the No Kings rally, not being antagonistic to anyone there.
So... yeah. At least some of the '2A' crowd is indeed getting fed up with Trump/MAGA's bullshit.
But I've really only watched his specifically related to the Kirk assasination videos, so, I have no clue what the totality of his politics are.
But but... this is just one guy, and there are a good deal more than just a single "ex-sf gunbro guntuber dude with shades on in his truck twitter profile image" type person who is on youtube, making videos going into how the FBI's Kirk assasination story makes no fucking sense, and who are quite pissed about how obvious these lies are.
I'm way too lazy to watch, but did he cover a low charge bullet and/or dirty barrel? I don't know about rifles, but an uncleaned handgun can throw a bullet sideways and all sorts of weird shit.
I'm a big fan of simple explanations. Which is it was the kid and something weird happened.
"Puts on conspiracy hat" The next option would be a foreign actor (Russia or Israel probably) pulled off a crazy complicated operation to show trump they could get to his friends. But it's extremely unlikely there was no evidence of the kid being manipulated and "helped". Unless the FBI is covering it up, but then why wouldn't they also fudge the other evidence?
"Down the rabbit hole" If you go full tinfoil hat, assume Trump's ear shooting was a setup by him for votes. (There's a lot of goofy shit in those videos) Then him and Kirk decide to do it, to get Kirk national recognition and set him up as Trump's successor. But the bullet misses, shit happens, instead of just hitting his shoulder or whatever; bam dead Kirk.
I still find one the simplest explanation, but who knows
He has other videos where he goes into at least some detail about:
the idea of an underpowered rifle round
the idea of a nearby shooter with a handgun
Basically, uh, neither of those make sense with the publically availablr evidence, and also, neither of those are part of the FBI's story.
Here's your simple explanation:
We have the autopsy report now.
The bullet entered Charlie's neck from the right side, around the jawline / neck / under the ear, did damage as it moved laterally left and vertically down to a number of his neck vertebrae, kept travelling through down to about his left clavicle, severed his corotid on the left side, bullet remained lodged in the shoulder bone after travelling a bit further past/through the corotid.
The FBI story is a 30.06 round from basically dead center in front of him, elevated, hit him in the left neck, and then... made no exit wound, and also remained lodged in his shoulder.
This is completely impossible, a 30.06 will blow apart a moose's femur at the range Robinson supposedly was shooting from.
That would have resulted in a chunk of Kirk's neck the size of about a large orange being wholly blown off/apart, he would have been half decapitated, the entire backdrop of the whitr tent behind him would have been covered in viscera and blood.
What entirely does make sense is that it was instead a 5.56 out of some kind of AR-15, from on the roof of the building to Kirk's right.
Kirk was not shot from the front.
The gushing neck wound we saw was basically almost an exit wound: the bullet broke the skin from already being inside of Kirk, but managed to not itself exit his body at that point, instead, getting lodged into his shoulder, actually almost exiting it again from within the shoulder, but not quite managing to.
The gushing neck wound was not an entry wound.
As to ... what actors actually did this?
Well, the FBI is obviously covering this up. There are many, many, maaaany aspects of what they are saying that are either obviously false or inherently contradictory with other things they are saying or other existing evidence, there's too much for me to try and recap here... stop being lazy and watch some of this guy's vids would be my suggestion, lol.
The entire FBI 'investigation' is a giant mess of fuckups, so... yeah, they don't even care to pretend they even need to follow any actual rules, you know just generally.
They obviously faked an incriminating 'love letter' text exchange between Robinson and his... roommate/lover.
Like, its laughably obvious as a fake.
You are apparently positing some kind of outside help or planning or encouragement/grooming for Robinson... there's no evidence for that that I am aware of, not even purported evidence, from anyone.
Please remember the FBI has been purged by Kash Patel of all non MAGA diehard loyal personnel, and that Kash Patel is literally a former conspiracy theorist podcaster who is stonewalling the release of the Epstein files, go look at him having screaming matches in recent Congressional hearings.
Remember these same people telling us they gave us an unedited, raw video from Epstein's cell block... and it was immediately apparent that was not true?
As to it being Russia or Israel, uh, well, whole lot more evidence poitning toward Israel.
Kirk was feuding with Israeli donors not long before this occured, and he snubbed them, said he wouldn't take their money anymore, couldn't keep supporting them as vehemently.
There are records of these conversations, a lot of the right wing media sphere has been arguing over them.
Then, ... before anyone prominent had actually accused Israel of killing Kirk... Netanyahu himself issued a statement denying that Israel had killed Kirk.
So... that's kinda weird.
Nobody knows the identity of the shooter on the building to Kirk's right... but he's been captured in video from the event, so... yeah.
The Trump ear shooting isn't weird if you know how guns and bullets work, but almost no liberals or leftists do.
That shot was an actual lucky fucking break for Trump, an extremely light graze... and other riunds from that shooter killed and wounded other people in that crowd, behind Trump.
Bullets spin very, very rapidly.
They are also topologically rough, at a small scale.
Basically, imagine a spinning drill bit, or cylindrical rod with sandpaper wrapped around it.
Now, trace the length dimesion of the bit/cylinder as the bullet trajectory.
Now, have that graze along the top of the helix of the ear, maybe digging a mm or less into the actual skin/flesh of the ear.
Superficial wound, but in an area of the body eith a very high concentration of capillaries and thin skin = rapid onset of fairly profuse bleeding.
It also does not = a chunk of Trump's ear getting blown off and then magically regrowing, which is apparently what a bunch of people seem to think happened?
That, to me, is a conspiracy theory, given that... a light graze causing bleeding... is... extremely simple and straightforward... but only if you know more about firearms and gun wounds than what Hollywood and videogames 'teach' you.
We don't need to go tinfoil hat with that one, we need to realize the current head of the FBI is a tinfoil hat incompetent MAGA nutjob shock jock, thats who's in charge of investigating Kirk.
The goofy shit around Trump's near ear piercing wss how the whole event was cobbled together very rapidly, and security from the Secret Service and local police were confused, uncoordinated and ineffective, which ... yeah, that's some bullshit, but it's a way lower tier of bullshit than the obvious coverup the new FBI is conducting under Patel.
Again like... Patel's whole thing was screaming for the Epstein files to be released on his podcast, prior to becoming head of the FBI, which he has literally less than 0 qualifications for.
Then Trump gets elected, now he reads those files and goes 'oh fuck, my boss is a major pedophile, my whole thing was that only Dems are pedophiles, fuck fuck fuck' and then begins nakedly lying his ass off about that.
Patel is a Q Anon nutter.
Thats... thats our head of the FBI.
Please stop giving investigative deference to the organization, it isn't due any anymore.
The implication is that the rifle found was a plant, and the guy's admission of guilt is false. It's not even like they leaned on him in the interrogation room. He just went to them.
That seems a bit of a stretch on its face. Much more so than assuming the bullet did something that can't be immediately explained.
Inagine being this dense.
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