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[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

they were shut out of the political process by having their parties banned

The banning of pro-Russia parties apparently happened after Russia launched its 2022 invasion of Ukraine, so the banning can't be a justification for the invasion.

we’re talking about grabbing people off the streets, giving them a rifle, and forcing them to the front

I hope that doesn't happen and I hope Ukrainian people can choose whether they want to fight or not. I also think though that Russia shouldn't be taking land and lives by force, and they also shouldn't be trying to install their own puppet regime in Kyiv.

[–] Objection@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

The banning of pro-Russia parties apparently happened after Russia launched its 2022 invasion of Ukraine, so the banning can’t be a justification for the invasion.

That's incorrect. Almost immediately after coming to power in 2014, the Ukrainian government started banning opposition parties. It appears they banned more parties after 2022 as well (my previous source may have been referencing that, which I apologize for mixing up).

In July 2015, the Ministry of the Interior stripped the Communist Party, the Communist Party of Ukraine (renewed), and the Communist Party of Workers and Peasants of their right to participate in elections and stated it was continuing court actions to end the registration of communist parties in Ukraine.


I hope that doesn’t happen and I hope Ukrainian people can choose whether they want to fight or not.

It does happen and they don't. Both sides of the war are using conscription, and the Ukrainian government has even tried to get other governments to force Ukrainian refugees back to Ukraine so they can be conscripted, because they are facing manpower shortages.

The whole situation is a tragedy and a mess. I think it's somewhat insane that either side saw this conflict as a viable option, there were diplomatic off-ramps that were ignored. Generally I just don't trust the same politicians and media that led us into Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years to get involved in any conflict, pretty much regardless of the circumstances. Because, after all, I'm a leftist.

[–] moderatecentrist@feddit.uk 1 points 4 weeks ago

Almost immediately after coming to power in 2014, the Ukrainian government started banning opposition parties

There were still big pro-Russia parties so Ukrainians who liked the idea of stronger ties with Russia had parties they could vote for.

The whole situation is a tragedy and a mess.

That's very true.