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[–] djdarren@piefed.social 107 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

I would say that the US is a very weird place, but then I remembered that this

is the flagship of the ~~British Navy~~ First British Sea Lord. She hasn't floated for literally 100 years.

So mostly I guess it's just that militaries are weird.

[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 81 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There's also a statue of George Washington in England. Except the US shipped a bunch of dirt all the way across the Atlantic from Virginia so he would technically not be standing on British soil.

Humans do weird shit just to make a statement.

[–] affenlehrer@feddit.org 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Dracula did the same when he moved to England

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

But is Dracula twelve stories high and made of radiation?

[–] Glytch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
[–] klugerama@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I heard that motherfucker had, like, 30 goddamn dicks

[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

He was a gundam.

[–] TheDoozer@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I heard... that... motherfucker had, like... thirty goddamn dicks.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 16 points 2 weeks ago

"What do we do with all this rubble and old dirt?"

"Ship it to the UK and call it patriotism"

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 2 weeks ago

The state is entirely based on lies and delusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The USS Constitution is still fully crewed, floats, and occasionally fires a few cannon shots.

Keeping history around isn't weird. Though I do think it should be contextualized.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The Constitution is also the only ship in the current U.S. fleet to have sunk an enemy vessel, having defeated and burnt HMS Java in 1813.

Her nearest competition was decommissioned in 2015.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 7 points 2 weeks ago

Used today primarily for ceremonial and educational purposes, only 10–15 percent of the frigate actually dates to the original construction due to centuries of repairs and restorations.

The USS Theseus?

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

You're telling me no ship in the current fleet besides that old ship has sunk an enemy vessel?

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I guess it's because technically the US hasn't been at war since WW2, and so ships sunk since then were not considered enemy ships. Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Gulf, and Iraq were all technically not wars but just "special military operations" or whatever. Where do you think Putin gets most of his aspirations and ideas?

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The last ship to sink an enemy vessel was the USS Simpson in the 1988 Iran-Iraq war, which retired in 2015. Every conflict after has not had any naval combat resulting in a loss of vessel.

[–] balsoft@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

That's very surprising to me. Do they not count random pirate boats and so, or did they really sink no vessels at all since then?

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

I think many of the actions have been against what are considered non-state actors. So I think it’s just what’s considered an “enemy vessel”

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

They do not count anti-pirate operations, the US Navy has never counted anti-pirate operations.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

What about all those Venezuelan ships?

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

They focus mainly on murdering innocent civilians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[–] HearTwoTalk@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Seeing her out of her slip is kind of weird. She was accompanied on either side by tug boats, like an elderly person escorted by nurses or family members fearful they may fall over.

[–] frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

US Navy sails the Constitution up to a Russian submarine.

Fires full broadside.

Refuses to elaborate.

Leaves.

[–] prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ukraine credited with sinking another Russian submarine

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ah, I'm mostly joking. Victory is a really cool museum, almost as cool as the wreck of the Mary Rose that's displayed in a building next to her.

[–] ceenote@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Militaries see a lot of value in convincing their members that they'll be remembered after dying.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Some good things have happened because people sacrificed themselves for the greater good.

Do I wish this wasn't necessary? Fucking of course.

But history doesn't repeat itself so much as humans just don't change.

[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 weeks ago

Some good things have happened because people sacrificed themselves for the greater good.

We're talking about the US here. It's mostly about the greed, slavery, oil or invading farmers.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'll assume that you're talking about Luigi Mangione (allegedly) and move on.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I was thinking of some of the Revolutionary War soldiers, actually and the allies fighting Nazi Germany.

Not really sure where Luigi came from.

[–] napoleonsdumbcousin@feddit.org 20 points 2 weeks ago

Small correction: The HMS Victory is the flagship of the First Sea Lord. The current Royal Navy Fleet Flagship is the aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Is she not beautiful? Do her curves offend your insecure masculine sensibilities?

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

She's too beautiful. So beautiful in fact, that I am now banned from Portsmouth Historic Dockyard.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 1 points 2 weeks ago

For shame, for she has many suitors but not nearly enough who will polish her portholes

[–] buffing_lecturer@leminal.space 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I somehow never considered that there were literal flagships.

[–] davidgro@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

The USS Enterprise (pretty much any of them, including nonfiction) have been flagships.

[–] ohulancutash@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The fleet flagship of the Royal Navy is currently HMS Prince of Wales.

The Royal Navy flagship is HMS Excellent (which is an island, not a ship).

Victory is the flagship of the First Sea Lord, and also has the largest crew of any vessel in the navy, as personnel are assigned to her on paper by default until transferred to an active unit.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago

Every state is based on total bullshit. That's part of why the state is garbage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_religion

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah that's weird. You gotta keep your wooden boats in the water like we do. Our navy owns a forest for repairing our stupid wooden ship

[–] djdarren@piefed.social 1 points 2 weeks ago

When they took our wooden boat out of the water it turned out that she'd hogged by around 500mm. Which is quite a lot for a boat. In fairness, she was 150 years old by that point.

Now there's a vast system of hydraulic rams supporting her in the dry dock, to the point that they reckon she's better supported now than when she was afloat.