sartalon

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[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Sure. That was the reason for the big initial split into a two party system.

Jefferson/Madison wanted weak federal government and Adams/Hamilton wanted a strong central government.

And never the two shall meet. (Both sides claimed it would be the end of the world if the other side ever gained power.)

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Just want to make the point that the founding fathers were still alive as the industrial revolution started.

But yeah, their minds would be blown.

I would always imagine them oohing and ahhing over all the "magic", but then shaking their heads at the same political shenanigans, SSDD.

John Adams had a reputation for honesty and his strong moral code, but then he still signed into law the alien and sedition acts.

And he WAS a founding father.

That was an interesting time though. I mean, they had almost no precedent for almost anything. So a president would do something, and if it worked or the other branches didn't shut him down, it kind of became the standard. And they were really flying blind in some situations.

(And the Supreme Court letting the president do what he wants even though it was clearly bullshit... That was also not uncommon, at least before the civil war.)

One thing is for certain though... the states have always been full of hypocritical, ignorant jackasses, that vote along party lines without understanding the issue.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (4 children)

He's objectively wrong anyway.

He clearly doesn't know shit about our political history. We've done super shady shit since the beginning.

In fact the shit that's happening now isn't even new. It is so eerily similar to the shenanigans leading up to the civil war.

Ben Franklin was shagging French women for years. He also politically assassinated John Adams's French diplomat assignment. Got him kicked out of Paris so he could keep shagging French women alongside Jefferson.

[–] sartalon@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Wow, Game Theory called it?

George Washington fucking called it the minute we started electing people.

The fucking civil war happened over something incredibly similar to this.

This is pretty low hanging fruit to give anyone credit for "calling it".