That's true, but it doesn't contradict what I'm saying. The person making the decision is the patient, but someone does need to authorize it. And in authorizing it/not authorizing it, that physician is quite literally making a decision about who lives and dies.

I'm not really in the mood to keep going in circles about this.

[–] WizardGed@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (8 children)

then lets not circle back around to who is involved and look at the results of not allowing it. the alternative is failed suicide attempts and long term suffering. assuming we can treat or make people jump through hoops or find some kind of grand arbiter just prolongs suffering and helps us look the other way as we force people poorly trained or in immense pain to figure it out themselves or put themselves/others in legal jeopardy in addition to suffering. If I have the right to life as long as it is not at the expense of others than i have the right to end it.

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca -3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

the alternative is failed suicide attempts . . .

This kind of seems like a better outcome to me though? Like, that's better than a successful suicide attempt, no?

. . . and long term suffering

It's not necessarily the case that someone with a mental illness is doomed to a life of extreme suffering. That's an ablest mindset, and it does disservice to that community. When someone is in their darkest moment and unsure if things are going to get better, we should be giving them hope, not saying "you're right, you're doomed, but don't worry you can kill yourself".

I'm not entirely sure what you mean about the legal stuff.

[–] AlexanderTheGreat@piefed.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Mental Health Illnesses aren't just "oh I'm depressed, I should kill myself, humph!".

You're either very young, or very ill informed of mental health issues. Either way you should take time to learn about some of the different mental health disorders out there and what kind of hell living with some of them can be before speaking with such absolute conviction on a topic you know little to nothing about.

As for your

It's not necessarily the case that someone with a mental illness is doomed to a life of extreme suffering. That's an ablest mindset, and it does disservice to that community. When someone is in their darkest moment and unsure if things are going to get better, we should be giving them hope, not saying "you're right, you're doomed, but don't worry you can kill yourself".

That's what the medical team is for. They don't just tell you to kill yourself because you had a bad day. Have you ever interacted with a medical team for a long term health issue for any length of time? It is a slow meticulous process of tests and treatments and elimination of options that can take years. Get your head out of your ass and use your brain for fuck sakes.

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's what the medical team is for. They don't just tell you to kill yourself because you had a bad day.

Never suggested they did. But in the end they do end up killing people solely because they have a mental illness (assuming the expansion of MAiD goes through). There’s a reason why the UN considers this state sponsored eugenics. Very few other democratically run countries have done this since eugenics went out of fashion.

[–] AlexanderTheGreat@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you even watched the Genvia session?

[–] ageedizzle@piefed.ca 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Have you even read the article were discussing?

[–] AlexanderTheGreat@piefed.social -1 points 1 month ago

I have. It takes some liberties from the video it is citing to put it nicely.

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