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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
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Butlerian Jihad when?
My concept of utopia is a world without billionaires
I hate the loser as much as the next guy, but post scarcity built on automation and androids isn't a bad thing just because he mentions it.
It absolutely is a bad thing. There's a version of "post scarcity" where everyone is provided for and cared for, and there's the one these assholes are aiming for, where most are left to languish. His is unquestionably the latter.
Languish is a strong word, post scarcity heavily implies most of our desires being met, not a minimum to survive.
It should still be the end goal in either case. Hopefully, we can have proper change before it to avoid some kind of techno feudalism.
My point is that what he's aiming for isn't what you're imagining or describing. He doesn't want comfort or care for others, he wants to have as much money and power as he can possible claw in, and others having something means he has less to hoard.
In short, he's lying and it's important to understand that.
Hopefully we can have change so we get what he predicts and not what he wants.
It's also not what this image is saying either.
Yes we know what Musk actually wants, but what's being described in the image is quite nice
"The image about what the billionaire psycho is saying isn't really about what the billionaire psycho is saying."
That's not how this works.
Musk: "Don't kill puppies"
You: I'm going to kill so many fucking puppies
This is where we are at right now. Yes we do know Musk is a bad guy, but even bad people can say good things.
Having robots labor for us would be great, just because Musk said thay doesn't make it evil. But because Musk said it we can infer he has some additional motives, but the statement itself is still a good thing
Like we don't have to be this unnecessarily absolute and obtuse about things.
You: I’m going to kill so many fucking puppies
I already said that there's an actual good version of post-scarcity, good try though. And letting wolves in sheep's fur lead you into the slaughterhouse because they put up a sign that says "Utopia" is just going to doom you and everyone else.
good try though
No one's trying anything but telling you to try logic. We may even agree that Musk is full of shit, but goddamn the failure at logic is cringe.
brah over here pretending like he represents logic.
you don’t understand logic, brah
go take a logic class, brah
And letting wolves in sheep's fur lead you into the slaughterhouse
Good try, but I don't think I ever said blindly follow Musk. That's an assumption you made
I already said that there's an actual good version of post-scarcity
Why are we arguing?
You tell me. You're the one that popped in here.
OP had plenty of opportunity to write exactly what they meant. Responding to the meaning of words is exactly how this works.
Rejecting an idea as stated because you don't like the source is genetic fallacy. Basically
you: MUSK BAD: THEREFORE, EVERYTHING MUSK SAY BAD
Musk: 1+1=2
you: BAD
You know how moronic your comments look with this shit?
All we need is Musk to profess a love for Marxism-Leninism for tankies to renounce it on lemmy.
Then maybe OP should have written that instead of what they actually wrote. Are we all supposed to share a mass delusion OP wrote something else? Words mean things.
oh looook, what a suprise, you’re a condescending, pompous asshole in every single comment.
wonder why someone wouldn’t respect you?
U mad, brah?
Not our fault your fee-fees brittle & logic offends you.
Y'know, you can also achieve post scarcity by reducing the demand. And you can reduce the demand by reducing the number of people whose needs are too inconvenient or expensive to be met.
He never implied or stated that a large populace would get to partake in this ketamine-induced fantasy land.
Elon Musk predicted that AI and robots would eventually allow work to become optional for human beings, that money would become “irrelevant” and poverty would cease to exist.
I mean first off, we'll need "AI" to actually mean something other than marketing bullshit. Actual AI (what's being called 'AGI' nowadays, but that'll be bastardized the same way 'AI' was) doesn't exist outside of science fiction. If that day ever comes (my money's on humans being extinct before we get there), then yeah that's gonna be a humanity changer in par with discovering fire or electricity.
Second, we'll need the folks who run that tech to actually be benevolent, and the odds of a billionaire becoming benevolent are even lower than real AI becoming a reality.
Third, poverty could cease to exist RIGHT NOW if people like Elon Musk got the guillotine treatment they deserve. No AI necessary.
Third, poverty could cease to exist RIGHT NOW if people like Elon Musk got the guillotine treatment they deserve
Never forget that elmo ran his mouth about using his money to solve world hunger, and when the UN organization in charge of hunger came back with a detailed plan... nothing. Poof. The little shit tucked tail and ran.
Oh no we're never forgetting that, or the fact that shortly after he used even MORE money than what the UN proposed to buy Twitter instead
Can we please stop paying attention to what this Nazi saluting man baby is saying?
Does that mean healthcare, housing and nutrition will all become basic human rights as well?
They have been selling us the promise of leisurely utopia since the industrial revolution. The only way we get shorter work weeks is by sacrificing capitalists
Elon musk: The empty promises nazi.
None of our billionaires are seeking a Star Trek, united federation of planets (countries) utopia, where money is obsolete.
They’re all looking more towards the empire dystopia of Star Wars.
Elon, you have the capacity to end world hunger, fix all American schooling problems, and dozens of other things, and still be a billionaire. If you were capable of even the slightest hint of empathy, you could create a near-utopia tomorrow.
Their version of Utopia is more like the movie Elysium. A separate paradise for them, the Dregs for the rest of humanity.
That, too.
Infuriatingly, dystopian science fiction is supposed to be warnings about the excesses of capitalist feudalism, except techbros start to use those as goddamn instruction books.
Somehow they imagine themselves the hero, but they’re the contributors to the dystopia they create. Like the evil dictators that somehow can’t understand how twisted the world is they created.
If done right and well, it most certainly could. But we aren't doing either.
It's the old tech shill's shell game.
"This is what we could have!" (Note: could have. Not what they're working toward.)
Television was once hailed as a boon for education. How long did that last?
The Internet was once hailed as a means of learning about each other. Now it's a source of ever-increasing vociferous division.
All of this is purest fantasy because the people pitching it are shit humans who don't want the future they sell to us.
In the heart of the empire, same as it ever was. I mbin "boosted" your comment, because it's the same old pipe dream they've always sold us that we keep buying, with just enough "good" hits to keep us coming back, as I elsewhere.
What? Are you seriously gonna say that television and Internet weren't a massive boon for society regarding education/knowledge sharing and social exchange? You've such a negative outlook on life if you honestly believe that.
I remember when people would tell you things and you just had to say OK cause your only refute was to hop on over to the library and find a book as a source.
And pre-Internet, when would you ever communicate with someone outside of your little town? Sure sign up for a penpal or some shit like that, but the ability for me where I am on the shitter to write this comment to you is INSANE in the broad spectrum of the human race.
Stop being such a doomer
Yes, I'm going to say that television and the Internet weren't a massive boon for society.
Television (and streaming video later on) when it started off perhaps had potential to change things for the better. Now look at it. "Reality" shows, politically divisive opinion pieces masquerading as news, and in general just a pile of crud until you get into the individual paid channels ... which benefit only those who can afford the increasingly expensive fees.
Benefitting the rich? Yeah, that's new and unexplored territory for sure!
As for the Internet, again, when it was first unleashed on the public it was a GREAT place. Now it's one walled garden after another with the only real concern the delivery of ads as often and as plentiful as possible. Its potential has been wasted. But hey, at least the warp speed spread of disinformation that it enables with such panache didn't result in the ever-accelerating failure of democracies around the world!
How is that a bad thing? It's exactly what we all should be working towards.
It's not, he's just lying to coax more investment
Sounds pretty good to me, too
So you want a world without money Felon? Ok, start handing it out.
People like this are described by Charles Dickens ..... rich, wealthy, entitled aholes that talk about "The surplus population"
Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism when ??
If only someone had a trillion dollars they could donate to fix that
The only X this guy deserves is pressing X to doubt. Im sure this will happen some day if we all dont go extinct, but if he is involved it wont be as he says here.
More like Elysium...
And we'll all get UBI, right? Haha, just kidding, he's too busy hoarding all the wealth.
Come on show us the self driving car elon!
But they will still find a way to control us and make us slaves.
Oh, man I remember being baked as fuck. Sure.