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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 day ago

It wasn't too bad before all those illegal immigrants showed up in the big sailing boats, I hear...

[–] Geodad@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Before the colonists arrived.

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Native Americans are still people, and it's a universal truth that people (as a whole) suck. I'm not excusing the horrors that came with colonization: but wars, slavery, murder, etc were still common things in America prior to colonization -- just at a much smaller scale.

All the horrible things people do to each other are just easier when you're not stuck using stone-age technology.

[–] mathemachristian@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

So i think i can post this without getting banned for anti-white racism here, lets see: readsettlers.org

[–] oatscoop@midwest.social 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

anti-white racism

I'd call what you linked to "deranged, but fascinating."

It's charming mix of "freshman humanities student" and "2012 tumblr".

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Ding ding ding, we have a winner!

[–] Tigeroovy@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It was probably pretty chill before a bunch of chodes came over and named it America.

[–] prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ehhhh, fwiw the Native American people had some fairly warlike cultures and long held beefs, we have documented genocides they did on each other.

Humans, generally, suck.

[–] yermaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

I think we're more acutely aware of how much we suck because since the Internet took off and we should be able to communicate with anyone on the planet (within reason. Obviously madfrit tribes with spears in the jungle dont) we should have reached a new age of peace and enlightenment. Scientists can share ideas instantly so science goes through the roof, and commoners across borders can talk so we know eachother is being fed propaganda and nobody really wants to send their sons to die killing the other ones sons.

Unfortunately it somehow seems to have turned into a propaganda machine itself and gives us outlets to be awful to eachother with relative anonymity.

We could have had it all....

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Viking settlements. Or the dutch?

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

As recently as 3 years ago I was inspired by huge investments in renewable energy and climate change, starting to work on a huge backlog of infrastructure work, there was hope for high speed rail, incentives to bring manufacturing back to the us, support for unions, we had an ethical fact-based government, the rule of law and primacy of the constitution, respected all people and were working on quality of life improvements ……

Remind me again why we voted to tear all that down?

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

When has the United States government ever been ethical? The older I get the more I realize that I live in the Death Star.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Historically separation of powers worked. We’ve never had such a naked power grab by the executive branch, so many illegal orders, ignoring the courts, a sycophant congress. Agency leaders were generally competent and tried to fulfill agency missions. There’s never been such blatant bribery, spite based action, conflict of interest, profiteering off government roles, insider trading. Previous administrations mostly followed the constitution.

Sure we have our share of unethical actions by the government but they generally stayed within the legal structure of the government and were somewhat accountable.

[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Yes, the decline of our institutions is more blatant now. But it's a difference of degree, not of kind.

  • Congresspersons, on the left and right, have been insider trading for decades.
  • The SCOTUS ruled that corporations are people that have unlimited "free speech" with their money.
  • Bush started targeting terrorists with drones and now the U.S. president can order drone strikes. (Some have called Obama a war criminal due to excessive civilian casualties resulting from drone strikes. But Americans don't really care about this.)
  • Biden bombed Yemen without congressional approval and now Trump has bombed Iran.
  • Bush sent "enemy combatants" to Guantanamo Bay without due process. Now Trump sends "illegal aliens" to detention camps without due process.
  • The CIA has brazenly declassified many covert operations to stop the spread of communism. Including installing brutal dictators and interfering with democratic elections. (They admit to doing this but, again, Americans do not care.)
  • Bush and Obama both bailed out corporations that are "too big to fail".
  • Questionable wars in Asia and the Middle East that fed the military industrial complex and made a well-positioned few unimaginably wealthy.

You likely disagree with some of these examples. But my point is only this: Trump is the symptom of a disease that we have ignored for far too long. We all pledged allegiance to the flag in school. We all learned that America stands for liberty, justice, equality, etc. for all. But this country has never lived up to those professed ideals.

[–] HoopyFrood@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 day ago

Pretty sure the way we as the American people chose to receive this beating was that at one of the billionaire orgies between 2023 and 2024 Musk, absolutely trashed, turns to Soros and says "you think you're so good for getting Obama elected in '08, well hold my beer and watch this!" The rest is redacted history that will make an excellent documentary in about 10-20 years

[–] nuko147@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Before the human species arrived 4 sure.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 76 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

As I got older and I reflected on all the grumpy old men waving at the clouds and complaining constantly about this-or-that being better in their days when I was a kid, I realized why.

Now I'm the old man and I avoid becoming bitter my reminding myself of the following truth:

  • When you're a kid, the world belongs to the grown-ups - your parents, adults of authority around you.

  • When you reach teenage years, the world starts being yours: you've developed tastes for things people your age do and create. As you go through puberty, your identity is reinforced with things of your time, and other young people your age with which you do the same things. You all have a bright future in front of you.

  • When you get out of puberty, hopefully you get our of school and start working: the world is fully yours. The trendy things in the world are things you find trendy too. Other people speak like you. You're not a powerless kid and you're not weaker old guy/gall yet. You're fully part of it and it suits you. You may not like the world, but it's yours. It shares your values and your values are what makes the world go round at that point in time . Your personality, your cultural identity and the cultural norms you respect, and your value system are fully developed, and a pure product of their time.

  • And then they stay that way. But the world keeps evolving. Slowly but surely, the things you learned become deprecated. The things you like become old. The way you speak becomes strange to younger ears. The values you believe in no longer apply. The world slowly shifts beneath your feet, but it's happening very slowly, year after year, until...

  • You reach an age at which you're very visibly and obviously out of sync with the world. Even you notice it at this point.

And here lies the trap: you can either reflect on how the world has changed and acknowledge that it's not your world anymore, but it's younger people's now. People who are now the age you once were: it's their turn to have a go at owning the world. You're just in it for the ride.

Or you can take refuge in your old values, wallow in the old things you've liked for decades, and bitch and moan about the world going to shit. It's not going to shit, but it feels that way to you. It's easier to reject the world around you than admit it's just not how you like it anymore, but it's poisonous: it turns you into a bitter person everybody hates.

I choose to ignore the things I dislike - which, at this point, constitute a lot more of the world than the things I like from the past, from my youth. But I also choose to not pass judgment on them because they're not from my world: they're from today's youth's world, and I have no say in it.

If you're old and angry, think about this. You might find some comfort in letting go.

The corollary of all this is: there is no better America in the past: the past simply seems rosier to older eyes. America has always been as great or as shit as you find it to be today.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 68 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The only problem I see with that is, even though I’m 40, the government and corporations are all still run by people older than me.

Hell, some of the folks in Congress are older than my parents.

[–] ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That's the tragedy of government: rulers and lawmakers need to be old enough to be wise, but age also disconnects them from the needs of the world of today.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 34 points 2 days ago

That’s the tragedy of government: rulers and lawmakers need to be old enough to be wise,

No, they don't. Under a representative democracy (what most of The West is at this point) your "rulers" are not meant to be kings who duck into their study to decide what is most Just.

Their responsibility is to surround themselves with experts and to listen to them. Your representative should not need to study economics and computer science to understand what Google is. They just need to be able to understand a wikipedia level overview so that they can communicate with the scientists and economists on staff.

Similarly, your representative should not be sitting and deliberating on what is Right. They should instead be communicating with their constituents to do what is right by them. Which works better when they aren't lugging around a canister of oxygen everywhere they go.

Which is why we tend to not use the word "rulers" anymore and instead focus on "civil servants".

There IS an argument that the President/Prime Minister needs "wisdom" because they may need to make very quick decisions. But even that is mostly about listening to the domain experts who just happen to be generals in that case.

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

That is actually a good reason to have a wide variety of ages in government, so that there is a mix of those connected to the world today and those that have more wisdom.

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[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

And they've been running it since your parents were younger than you now. This has got to change, get our parents politicians out of office!

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[–] Obnomus@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago

I'm not even American but I laughed at this

[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

Im Latino indigenous, I grew up in a war where Americans are funding death squads and bombing half the country to keep Russia out of this hemisphere. After America bombed my country and nothing was left, we moved up to the US to follow my country’s stolen wealth to the empire that took it. There we were called wetbacks and spics and told we were streaming jobs and weren’t welcome, go back to your country they would say, you know the country that’s filled with American craters. Now those Americans who wanted Russia out, are sucking Putin cock, and we’re still being rounded up like cattle! Move on to Canada eventually and never got over Americans being such monsters. These past few years have been wild as even the amaerican leftists have turned racist. I’ve called out a few young people on their anti colonial hypocrisy and anti war stance but only on some wars, etc. Not even against their views, just trying to point out their own colonial past, and I’ll get called all sort of slurs.

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[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Back between September 2, 1945 (WW2 end date), and November 1, 1955 (First day US involved in Vietnam). Unless of course you were black. Then it would have been August 28, 1963 (MLK's I have a dream speech date).

The moon landings were pretty great. Let's just not mention the contributions made by all those ex-Nazis.

[–] ddplf@szmer.info 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

1930s-1980s. So when the superrich were supertaxed. Remember 91% income tax in early 1960s?

[–] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That was a pretty great time for middle class white people!

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well if we could try that era's tax policies again, but without Jim crow this time, that would be a great starting point...

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[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 days ago

Middle class white males. Though granted, white women probably had it best out of all women.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

The wealthy game the system. This was always recognized, hence the high taxation.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Back when they were fighting Nazis instead of being them.

[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

We only caught German Nazis. In America, Nazis were in power or the heads of major corporations (See Henry Ford).

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

We only caught German Nazis.

And when we caught them, we brought them back to Hunstville, Alabama to make ICBMs for Eisenhower. The fascism was fine, just so long as it was deployed to kill the real enemy - Communists.

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[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago

Sadly there were Nazis in the US government before and during WW2.

The Dullas brothers are the prime examples. They spearheaded operation paperclip, which rescued Nazi scientists and moved them to the US.

The Dullas brothers are the reason why the US loved arming South American dictators from the 50s onward.

They also pulled a Japanese war criminal out of prison and put him in power in post war Japan.

You mean the days when black people weren’t allowed to ride the bus?

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 days ago

Indigenous and African Americans beg to differ.

Apparently when white men ran it, women stayed in their place, gays stayed confirmed bachelors, and minorities stayed under the table.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (5 children)

The more history I learn the more I understand that every country is awful, and people have been terrible forever.

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[–] Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Get outta ma head Charles!

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