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[–] clot27@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago
[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

Is there a third option where it's like "Nobody's really been planning anything for centuries and everything's just continuing and everyone knows there ought to be something different but nobody can agree on what that thing ought to be"?

[–] Sickos@hexbear.net 8 points 1 week ago
[–] ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 7 points 1 week ago (6 children)
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[–] 4grams@awful.systems -2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (19 children)

these are not two sides. The system is working as some intend so needs to be dismantled, at least large parts of it, to fix it.

People always forget, nuance exists.

[–] respectmahauthoritybrah@sh.itjust.works -5 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Lemmy politics i find a bit confusing and maybe i dont understand it very well but all forms of black and white communism /marxism-leninism always seemed to have lead to totalitarian states.. like correct me if wrong, its fair and completely normal to say that whatever the west amd especially countries like USA an UK are bullshit and need to dismantled atleast large parts of it.. but i dont understand why they jump instantly to models of china and Russia.. like i said maybe i dont understand it well enough..

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[–] Digit@lemmy.wtf -2 points 1 week ago

Bit of both.

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world -4 points 1 week ago (5 children)

In the past I've heard the second opinion primarily from people who say that a system is intended to work in the way that it does. Which makes the statement tautological: The system is working exactly as it works. I find this view unconvincing.

[–] vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago

POSIWID is a reminder to analyse the system the way it is, not the way it should be.

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