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[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 23 points 4 days ago

how white liberals think fascism works

Chad voting in a UN resolution condemning Israel's treatment of Palestinians in Gaza

you're finished

Official portrait of Benjamin Netanyahu

no, pls

[–] mech@feddit.org 25 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Chile actually voted out their dictator.

[–] Tinidril@midwest.social 9 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So did Brazil, and they actually threw theirs in prison.

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[–] Adverse_Reaction@anarchist.nexus 27 points 4 days ago (10 children)
[–] woodenghost@hexbear.net 25 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Thanks for sharing. It's not bad, except for the lack of class analysis. Assuming the Democrats are principled and will always be opposed to fascism, is sadly wrong. They are exactly like those conservatives who always prefer fascism to socialism.

[–] InappropriateEmote@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago

Yeah, a lot of the historical references and descriptions were good, but then when it got to the present day, essentially the "what is to be done" section, it just flopped hard. Paraphrasing: "a coalition of blue states can just ignore the federal government and do their own thing, boom, fascism defeated." It's not actually discussing anything about how fascism can actually be defeated even though the whole first half of it sounds like it's supposed to be a set up to do just that.

Instead it descends into ridiculous cringe:

California could request Canadian peacekeepers for "election security." New York could invite European observers for "financial transparency." Make it embarrassing. Make America's collapse visible to the world. Force the international community to pick sides.

This is your solution? That's how fascism is defeated? Any respect I may have built up for the author when they were accurately talking about how fascists slither their way into power using the liberal* political apparatus was nullified by this point.
*(even though the author always insisted on calling the fascist appeasers "conservative" at every turn rather than using the more appropriate word "liberal")

Every solution is just another form of "blue states should just pretend there is no federal government," even the last one which is titled "International Intervention" but that just means making all the other totally-not-fascist liberal "democracies" play ball with the new blue coalition instead of the liberal democracy that elected Trump.

No, the UN can't invade America. But they can isolate it. Sanctions work. Ask Russia.

Ask Russia? The country whose economy improved after "the mother of all sanctions" were imposed on it? Russia, who is indisputably winning the conflict that those sanctions were supposed to stop, all while Russia's economic ties with other enemies of the US have grown and blossomed? How about asking Cuba if sanctions work. Yeah, they work to starve the population and cause civilian immiseration and death, they don't and never have worked to depose rulers. This doofus has no fucking clue what they're talking about.

And even with the historical stuff, it left a big fucking gaping hole where the people and organizations that DID successfully fight fascism should have been. But nope, not even a mention. Clearly Christopher didn't want to admit that communism IS the cure to fascism, theoretically and in practice, historically and right now. This essay is just more cringe liberal drivel.

[–] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 20 points 4 days ago

Okay analysis. Awful solutions. All that just to say what someone far smarter than him had already said: political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. Fascists seize state power once they believe they have enough political power (ie the means of dispensing organized violence through a military or paramilitary formation). They are only stopped at the local level by antifascists willing to get their hands dirty, on the national level by the state military that refuses to go along, and on the global level by state actors.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Once they win elections, it's already too late.

Hey what do you think stops them from winning that first election?

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[–] drolex@sopuli.xyz 16 points 4 days ago

The upside-down corpse of Mussolini might disagree with that

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[–] Saymaz@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mamdani just started manufacturing consent for the regime changes in Cuba and Venezuela. 😂

three weeks ago

[–] fort_burp@feddit.nl 19 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some of the dumber white libs I've talked to honestly believe 51% of American voters voted for Trump 🤣

They don't know what voting does or how it works but they're sure it's the only reasonable solution!

[–] Evilsandwichman@hexbear.net 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's funny how almost 20 million people less than in 2020 voted this time around (most of the missing voters being on the dem side too); people are beginning to realize we don't really have a say

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[–] jali67@lemmy.zip 14 points 4 days ago (19 children)

I mean this isn’t a “white lib” thing. Most people don’t want political violence or related.

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