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[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 62 points 7 hours ago

One day, WiFi might even be usable as a method for making a reliable network connection

[–] Dalraz@lemmy.ca 33 points 9 hours ago

This is really cool and will be useful. My second thought was oh great now my smart TV can see how excited I am watching their injected ads and how many people saw it too. One of the many reasons to never connect modern TVs to the Internet.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 30 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

The Paper: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/11096342/metrics#metrics

This is very cool and useful, but at the same time very concerning. While I see a lot of good use cases for this ranging from hospitals to stress recognition in animals I Am also quite scared, that big corporations will use this to spy on us. Luckily currently it is only possible to measure the pulse at about 3m, but it should be possible to increase the range. It may fall short when multiple persons are in detection range, but as far as I have read from the paper they did not test this.

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 4 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Article is paywalled for me.

Does it describe the methodology of how they use the transmitter and receiver?

What specifically are they transmitting? Is it actually wifi signals within the 802.11 protocols, or is "wifi" just shorthand for emitting radio waves in the same spectrum bands as wifi?

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Yeah sadly it is paywalled, but I have been lucky enough to get access to it through my university.

Heres what I found regarding your question in the article:

Fig 1 illustrates Pulse-Fi's system architecture which consists of three main components: data collection using commodity Wi-Fi devices, a CSI signal processing pipeline, and a custom lightweight Long Short Term Memory neural network for heart rate estimation.

Fig 1:

And this is the Setup they used to collect the ESP-HR-CSI Dataset (left site) and the one that other researchers used to collect the E-Health Dataset (right side):

The parts on how they collected the data:

A. ESP-HR-CSI Dataset
We collected the ESP-HR-CSI dataset from seven participants (5 male, 2 female) in a room of a public indoor library. It was collected using two ESP32 devices, one as the transmitter and the other as the receiver. The sampling rate is 80 Hz, with a 20 MHz bandwidth with 64 subcarriers positioned at different distances. Each participant was measured at distances of 1,2 and 3 m for 5 minutes each. The participants sat in a chair between the devices and wore a pulse oximeter on their finger to collect ground-truth information as seen in

B. E-Health Dataset
The E-Health dataset [20] contains CSI collected from 118 participants (88 men, 30 women) in a controlled indoor environment measuring 3 m×4 m (Fig 4). The setup consists of a router set in the 5 GHz band at 80 MHz bandwidth as a transmitter, a laptop as receiver and a single-antenna Raspberry Pi 4B with NEXMON firmware for CSI data collection (234 subcarriers). Participants wore a Samsung Galaxy Watch 4 for the ground truth.

Each participant performed 17 standardized positions or activities, with each position held for 60 seconds.

To me it sounds like, that they really just used standard WIFI to collect the data (this is especially true for the E-Health Dataset), since all the processing gets done on the Raspberry Pi.

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[–] sirspate@lemmy.ca 6 points 8 hours ago

Oh, the person selling you medical or life insurance is gonna love this..

[–] DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 46 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Inb4 the cops starts doing nonconsensual "polygraph tests" using wifi

Those 5G Conspiracy Theorists probably feel vindicated after reading this lol

[–] jaemo@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 hours ago

Those 5G Conspiracy Theorists probably feel vindicated after reading this lol

I rather think they will be let down, given we're on wifi 7, not 5G, and also no injected nanites were involved.

[–] jawa22@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

I am not surprised. Passive WiFi was introduced nearly a decade ago, so it makes sense that measurement systems based on WiFi have come a long way since. It's frightening, honestly.

[–] DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com 72 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Insurance companies...sorry you're denied for being a health risk....we can see from your home internet that you're an unhealthy person

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 16 points 13 hours ago

Remember kids, you can buy your own home fiber router! Don't live with someone else's equipment between you and the internet.

[–] Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Isn't this no different then a sonogram

[–] panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 95 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (3 children)

This tech scares the hell out of me.

Great if we can make MRI quality imaging eventually available, but being able to monitor where people are in their homes remotely and their health status in our world is fucking dangerous.

[–] alecbowles@feddit.uk 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

In a world where private health care is the norm, yes. It’s scary.

In a world where Public health care is the main provider of health it isn’t.

[–] welfare_wizard@lemmy.zip 1 points 9 hours ago (2 children)
[–] alecbowles@feddit.uk 2 points 7 hours ago

Edited for better comprehension. I didn’t have my coffee, sorry

[–] GamingChairModel@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Yeah I'm with you.

"Using this technological advancement to improve health care is good"

"Not in countries where health care is publicly run"

"What" is the correct response here.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 16 points 14 hours ago (5 children)

Real question: how do you stop this?

I don't use wifi at all in my home but I live in an apartment and all my neighbours obviously do.

How in the hell do I stop this from getting into my home?

[–] tekato@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Your neighbors WIFI signals are too weak to matter in this case. Even if they were strong enough, this is a receiver-transmitter setup, so it would still be impossible to do unless you connect to their network. Even then, they’d have to assume you’re the only person present between the transmitter and the receiver.

Presence detection through WIFI was already garbage enough, this one is plain unusable.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 9 hours ago

Wear an aluminum foil vest and a Faraday suit. Burn your computer after reading, I've said too much....

[–] TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 34 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Turns out the tinfoil hat gang was right the whole time.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 13 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Innocuous radio signals are one thing but if my apartment is inundated with radio waves that can literally be used to track my movements and monitor my heartbeat, being forced to allow this is a perverse and sickening invasion of privacy.

[–] TwoDogsFighting@lemmy.ml 10 points 13 hours ago

If you think the lack of privacy is bad now, just wait till they use this to target done strikes. We're all in for super fun times.

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[–] Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Own the network. Run OSS.

That's about it.

[–] krunklom@lemmy.zip 14 points 13 hours ago

"Howdy neighbour. Your wireless modem/router combo is mine now. Thxkbye"

[–] ronigami@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Put the house in a faraday cage?

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[–] paraphrand@lemmy.world 109 points 21 hours ago (12 children)

Damn. “TikTok would like to access WiFi”

We need new permissions for this shit. WiFi can do presence detection and now heart rate? What next? Eye tracking?

[–] Amir@lemmy.ml 8 points 14 hours ago

Android throttles the hell out of WiFi requests since (I think) Android 9. You need to manually allow WiFi request spamming in developer options to let apps do something like determining location from it.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 56 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

I'm pretty sure applications can only send and receive data, with the finer details being handled by the OS.

But yes, there should be a specific permission to access biometric information.

[–] SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 5 points 12 hours ago

Suddenly your new dishwasher sends your health protocols to your doc. The fancy toilet helped with a consistency analysis and your smart lamps add a sleeping protocol.

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[–] inconel@lemmy.ca 24 points 17 hours ago

Capitalism asks whether you are the kind of person harvesting people's health info without concent or selling aluminum mesh underwear with fearmongering campaign. No other choices.

[–] yaroto98@lemmy.world 60 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Wow, all that with an esp32. No fancy hardware needed.

[–] Mora@pawb.social 12 points 14 hours ago

Which means we can have that data in Home Assistant sooner or later🤔

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 42 points 21 hours ago (4 children)

How much longer until I can be like "Hey, Google; scan the area for lifeforms?"

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

You need some redshirts with you, in case of danger.

[–] Networkcathode@piefed.social 12 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

“Sure, turning on all downstairs lights”

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[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 38 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

And I guarantee some organization will figure out how to use this for some police state bullshit.

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[–] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

So the tricorder in Star Trek was just a fancy, battery powered wifi hotspot??

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 9 hours ago

Yeah but it ran on Linux.

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