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[–] grue@lemmy.world 37 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Say what you will about that one user who keeps getting downvoted, but the movement to bring back thorn is gaining momentum.

[–] Broadfern@lemmy.world 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That’s also who I thought of, lol. In honor of them: long live þe þorn!

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm here for the þornography.

[–] anothercatgirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] anomnom@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Prickly peaches

[–] Canadian_Cabinet@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It hurts me that they got it right with þe but the other two are wrong

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago

so apparently most þornographers don't use eð ðe IPA/Icelandic way, because historically(?) ðe same letter was used for boþ.

I agree wið you personally ðo.

remindeth is archaic but ok though, isn't it?

[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

I was looking for this video on their channels, where did I miss it? Or did The Serfs delete it?

[–] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Recently learned that .... þ ... is an old letter that is pronounced 'th'

A bit jarring to see them use the first word .... þhat ... which would be .... 'th'hat

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Thorn (þ) wouldn't be appropriate in "that" since the th is voiced. Thorn (þ) is used for voiceless th. Instead, it should be ðat, using Eth, which is a voiced th.

[–] melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's perfectly appropriate to use thorn for all th sounds, eth existed in Old English and modern Icelandic but it wasn't a thing in Middle or Early Modern English, unlike thorn. Old English is basically unrecognizable as English though, so this dialogue is faux Early Modern English. Most people who use thorn in English nowadays are drawing from the Early Modern usage.

[–] missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I agree on historically grounds but it still grinds my gears. but also I want to bring back Old English grammatical cases

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Remember 1066! Never forget!

[–] TheRealKuni@piefed.social 7 points 3 days ago

Iirc, eth fell out of use before thorn did, and at that time thorn took the role of both.

But I don’t actually know.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

is the ending þ correct or is it only at the start of words? And would a serf use "remindeth" anyway?

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thorn (þ) depends on the language using it. Unless you're just going with the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA) to spell however you like, then all bets are off.

AFAIK, Icelandic is the only language that uses Thorn now. However they only use it at the beginning of a word, and it's specifically the voiceless th sound like in the word thin. Eth (ð) would be used here, again in Icelandic, but it would be a voiced th, like in then.

But, since it's not Icelandic, and it's not a voiceless th, Thorn would be a phonetically appropriate IPA letter to use.

As for your second question about a serf speaking that way? I-unno...

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Thanks for the input. That's basically what I found on Wikipedia, but what was used in earlier periods seems to be beyond their scope. Linguistics is both fascinating and complicated. As a monolingual English writer I think I'd have trouble transitioning back to þ, but I love the idea of its use.

I think it's a joke language, not actual middle English.

[–] Goodtoknow@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 days ago

This is just a depiction of modern times. I am a serf :(

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago

You're not one of the people I have tagged as using thorns.

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They probably are stuff like crabs so it's hardly that wild

[–] harmbugler@piefed.social 1 points 2 days ago

I suspect the top response would be "Can we eat it?"

[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

I just feel bad for the isopods because as "bugs" go, they're definitely more at home in the cute and helpful quadrant than anything even remotely devil-like.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 3 points 3 days ago

How do you give someone gold here?