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Shit, my boss knows perfectly well that if he didn't pay me, I'd be working for his competitor. It just so happens that I am widly nerdy about what we do, and absolutely love everything about my job, so I am willing to actually do it with a smile on my face, but there is an unspoken agreement, that the absolutely only thing that is actually getting me out of bed in the morning, is the fact that I get paid.
Even people passionate about their work expect to be paid for it.
If I'm doing it for free, it's going to be open source or I'm owning part of it.
You want to own what I make, I'm getting paid.
Oh so they want the we’re family mindset?
“Since we’re family, could you help me take care of grandma tonight?”
“Will you be at my mom’s funeral? Can you help with the flowers?”
Feels like rage bait
Paycheck is literally the job description. If you want passion, hire a volunteer.
I'm here because I find fulfillment in creating spreadsheets and having my expertise routinely ignored.
But do those spreadsheets also never go to any meaningful use? That's the dream.
They're used as ad-hoc databases. Mission critical ones!
As Bernard Q. Database had dreamed.
Relegated to a random shared drive, never to be opened again.
You know how at some point people always say "id still work when I'm retired" like it's some sort of badge of honor? Like their character integrity would be hurt if they didn't.
Fuck that. I retired and immediately stopped working. Life is amazing when you don't have to be somewhere every morning rain or shine. I don't want to be anywhere i don't want to be anymore.
I want to retire early, but I would still keep working because I find what I do stimulating and rewarding.
Retirement for me would be working small jobs that I want to do, and taking classes that I find interesting. I’d probably be taking jobs at small businesses and charities.
Similarly, my fantasy is that If I won the lottery, or otherwise became independently wealthy, I'd be doing a ton of different entry-level jobs to find one that hit as a passion.
Construction worker, stagehand, (i've already been retail), food service, intern for anything that requires a degree I don't have, etc.
I like my current job but if I didn't need the paycheck then I'm not sure I'd stay. I might stick around if I could negotiate terms and only do the parts I liked, though.
I wish I could learn a little about everything, but our culture pushes us to commit and be deep instead, and then we get stuck in a job that used to be a fun hobby.
I would "work" as in do what I do for a living but not at the behest of someone else. I would only create for my own use and enjoyment.
Getting laid off during COVID was like a preview of retirement, on top of other benefits like showing how little of my personal identity was tied to my job and how little I actually care about it. "Career line go up forever" was one of many things I was SUPPOSED to care about, but did not ACTUALLY care about. And that helped me fast-forward figuring out what does matter to me.
It was amazing.
The "I'll work forever" badge of honor garbage is just one of the many ways people get conditioned to go against their own best interests to help out the rich/political people that really matter. (/s and barf)
The year of Covid lockdown that I didn’t go to work was the most amazing time.
I worked through covid. We were not pleased everyone else got a "vacation". I think that was a big reason why i couldn't wait to retire.
The clapping for essential workers wasn’t enough for you? Entitled much? /s
Family doesn't make me talk to strangers on holidays.
I guess that I'm going a bit against the anti work consensus around here, but does everyone hate their job on Lemmy? I wouldn't want to work for free, but I enjoy my audio engineering job
So, I'm a teacher, and I love my career. The fact that I get paid good money to hang out with teenagers and make a difference in so many lives is almost mind-boggling to me. But it's still work. The job is exhausting, prep work and grading both suck, and I'm never happy to wake up at 7am. I'd never do it for free, and I'm always excited to have a day off.
The days off make me appreciate my job, and the shitty, boring parts of the job make me appreciate my time off. There's a gap between "I love my job" and "my job isn't even work," and many people struggle to grasp that.
As an aside, the anti-work sentiment around here is less a rejection of engaging with a task that betters society, and more about the current system of work and pay, where our labour disproportionately benefits others. Most "anti-work" people want to have a task that adds value to the world, and despise aimless, soulless corporate tasks that benefit CEOs and share holders.
Hate my job? No. I actually love my job. It's an amazing first step in my career and I plan on being here for many years. It's engaging, it's creative, it's building my skills, it's a casual environment, and I'm friends with my co-workers and my boss.
But I'm only at my job because I need to make money. I have lots and lots and lots of stuff to do with my free time. I want to travel, and play video games at the most base level, but I also have my own creative hobbies which, while I love my job, I would rather dedicate my days to. I only have so much free time in my life.
So the only reason I have this job that I love is because I need money to live. Sorry job, I'm just not that into you.
To add, I think theres a difference between 'im here to work in exchange for money' and 'im just here for 8 hrs to collect a check'
I used to manage restaurants, usually with a pooled house (all tips get tallied together, and divided by percentage based on position, which always reminded me of the way it was done on old pirate ships)
In these pooled houses it was always extremely obvious- youd have some servers touching other server's tables, helping bus / run food when appropriate, etc. (Which is what the system is meant to incentivize- if your help gets the other waiter a better tip, thats more money in your pocket as well)
And you'd have servers who did the bare minimum even for their own section, and saw it as 'if i spend 8 hrs On the floor dokng the bare minimum to not sent home, I get my percentage of the pot, I dont even have to do a good job on my tables'
Right now im running a residential solar crew, and weve got a couple guys who have a similar attitude; the moment they aren't under a direct task, they just stop working. (Its not a matter of not knowing whats next, and prepping for that, they've been here almost a year now, and theres almost always something obvious to be doing next, even if its just grabbing the next box of materials.)
which always reminded me of the way it was done on old pirate ships
Hey - that's a neat way of thinking about it!
I like my job.
But making a place an enjoyable place to work is up to management.
But they seem to think it's something they can just mandate.
I don't hate my job but it is something I do exclusively to make money. It has no role in self actualisation for me.
even the person who was paid to our that sign up.. they wouldn't be there doing that if not for the paycheck.
They also get a power trip out of it. Some people would do that for free
“Management team”, oblivious as always
US version:
I'm here for a paycheck and insurance so I can afford medication to not die.
Because I need to pay my high medical deductible, daycare expenses, mortgage, and a car payment that adds up to about $60,000 a year from my yearly income of $65,000 gross before taxes.
Oh yeah and the coffee is free, which helps, because rich people tell us, all this burden would go away if we didn't buy Starbucks so often.
My job once gave us water coolers and coffee. At one point the coffee was a big all in one where you can make great drinks with it. Then they took it away because it cost to much. We then had kurigs. They then took away the pods because apparently we cant be trusted and people were stealing them. At least we could still bring ours in! Oh once they broke they refused to replace them so we had no more coffee. Then they took the water away as well once the company claimed it needed cutbacks because it is not doing well. Even the perks are all going away. I remember when I first started 20 years ago we got 2 holiday parties where the company rented a big venue and gave out 10, 15, 20 year anniversary gifts and bonuses and the other party was our department one. Those ended 10 years ago and not a word on anything ever coming back.
The only perk now is that they cutback so much they have no room for my department anymore and we became full remote a little over a year ago. Yay!
I'd do my job for free for a few days just to help people out (which I like doing) and there's parts of it I enjoy.
But I like paddling down the river much more.
For most people, a paycheck is a business financially compensating them for the time lost and the effort done. The business is of no value to the employee otherwise. The compensation must be fair and worth their while, else the business will have to find someone worth what they're willing to offer in compensation.
If my job ever misses a check they won't see me again until I have my money.
EMPLOYER
ATTITUDES
We don't expect the
ownership to pay
wages with a[n] "I'm just
here for the labor"
mindset.
-Employment
Sure, we agreed that I would get paid at least this much in our contract, but haven't you ever heard of "going the extra mile"? Don't you want to pay more than just the bare minimum? C'mon, be a team player!
that one employee:
The management team can lead by example and forgo their salaries in that case.
I will never understand the kind of entitled attitude that people should be expected to work in order to make you successful...
Like fuck you manager/CEO. I could not possibly care less about how much more money you get to make or how many pats on the back you get for breaking records... Why the hell should I be expected to be here for that?
The whole "it's about helping the business succeed!" (...yeah that's making YOU successful...)
"Then you will be disappointed."
Post is in the correct sub and yet everyone in the comments is taking it entirely at face value. Are you all new, or are you just playing along?
This is every single thread in Lemmy Shitpost. People explaining the joke, raging against the machine, offering their solutions, karate-chopping the air... lol