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[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The US needs to resume amending the constitution. That's been the historical recourse when the Supreme Court makes shitty decisions.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the absolute failure of the ERA has proven unequivocally that ratifying amendments to the Constitution are no longer possible in an age where mass media has broad and instant reach.

There will always be someone powerful who opposes any amendment to the Constitution. And they will always make themselves heard loudly around the world, thereby making a consensus completely impossible.

[–] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think the absolute failure of the ERA has proven unequivocally that ratifying amendments to the Constitution are no longer possible in an age where mass media has broad and instant reach.

I don't see why not. Older amendments have gone unratified before. The longest spell between ratifications so far has been 61 years, and our last ratification was on 1992, so resuming now wouldn't break any records.

While ERA would have been a good one, we also have an older unratified amendment for regulating child labor. The only reason ERA can't be ratified is that congress started setting ratification deadlines, but that's never been necessary, and older proposals that don't have them can still be ratified.

I think part of the reluctance is that people unaware that constitutional originalism is a fairly new legal theory (first proposed in the 1970s) don't regard the constitution as a living document when it has been for most of history. They've come to see the US constitution as entirely up to the Supreme Court & forgotten that the ultimate control is the people & their power to amend it.

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[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The United States needs a completely new constitutional process, to stop idolizing as political gurus people who lived 300 years ago and did a great job for their time, but that's over. In Europe, some countries, during that same period, had dozens of constitutions and nothing bad happened about it.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Oh no, our Conservatives have been prepping for a new Constitutional Convention, and already have a playbook planned to ratfuck that.

The process for that is that 2/3 of states need to call for a constitutional convention to start it. When in session, everything is fair game to be amended. The rules for that are not codified in advance and created by the members themselves. And whatever comes out of that must be approved by 3/4 of the states (currently 38) in order to be binding on everyone.

But , by my calculations, 182 million people live in the 12 most populous states. Since the US population in all states is 339 million, that means that a new constitution can be ratified by states with only 43% of the population, then bind everyone to it.

There is no doubt in my mind that this will result in those states who did not vote for the new constitution seceding.

[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 day ago

Either I haven't explained myself well, or you haven't understood me. I'm not talking about following any set path; I'm talking about throwing everything out the window and starting from scratch.

It is clear that establishing rules that apply in California and Texas requires consensus and compromise, but even federalism needs to be rethought, if you start from where you are today, you'll never get very far.

At the first continental congress, or whatever it was called, there were no rules to go on. You'd have to go back there.

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Where can I read more on constitutional convention?

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html

But it's so small I can quote it here

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

While this seems to be written as only being for amendments, there is nothing keeping them from saying "we're starting over from scratch" as an amendment. Literally the only thing they put off limits in this process is the composition of the Senate.

[–] ronl2k@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Democratic congresspersons confirmed most of the conservative Supreme Court justices. Biden was famously instrumental in getting Clarence Thomas confirmed.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, there's no process for that. Single judges can be removed via impeachment, but being a partisan hack is not a high crime.

Similarly, nothing can happen with Conservatives controlling the House and Senate.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Oh, they know...

https://fedsoc.org/bio/ryan-doerfler

They want to trick people into dissolving the SC before the left gains control and can replace the problematic ones while taking steps to prevent this from happening again.

It's like a kid that walks up and slaps a peer, then immediately says "no tag backs" and says the game is over..

The federalist society got what it wants out of the SC, and now they want people to stop abusing it before we can undo what they just did.

I don't know why googling authors isn't the norm when billionaires own all the media companies. If you don't you'll never notice clear hypocrites like Ryan Doerfler.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Alas, the Constitution does little to protect against incompetent voters who refuse to act to protect their democracy.

[–] Janx@piefed.social 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

It's not incompetence, that would imply people tried to prevent this. It's apathy. If "did not vote" had been a candidate:

https://i.redd.it/ne5nmguwlqzd1.png

[–] ooterness@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

A core problem is that impeachment votes have become a team popularity contest, with the details of charges, innocence, guilt, etc. being irrelevant except for theatrics.

[–] WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org 5 points 2 days ago

It’s time to accept that the US ~~supreme court~~ is illegitimate and must be replaced | Ryan Doerfler and Samuel Moyn

Fixed the title for you.

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