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Even with LG’s concession, it may become more difficult to avoid chatbots on TVs.

LG says it will let people delete the Copilot icon from their TVs soon, but it still has plans to weave the service throughout webOS. The Copilot web app rollout seems to have been a taste of LG’s bigger plans to add Copilot to some of its 2025 OLED TVs. In a January announcement, LG said Copilot will help users find stuff to watch by “allowing users to efficiently find and organize complex information using contextual cues.” LG also said Copilot would “proactively” identify potential user problems and offer “timely, effective solutions.”

Some TVs from LG’s biggest rival, Samsung, have included Copilot since August. Owners of supporting 2025 TVs can speak to Copilot using their remote’s microphone. They can also access Copilot via the Tizen OS homescreen’s Apps tab or through the TVs’ Click to Search feature, which lets users press a dedicated remote button to search for content while watching live TV or Samsung TV Plus. Users can also ask the TV to make AI-generated wallpapers or provide real-time subtitle translations.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 133 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

When you get a new TV, make sure it supports CEC so you can bypass all this bullshit.

CEC allows your input devices to change inputs, control power, control volume, etc.

My current setup is a Samsung QLED, Xbox, and Apple TV. All support CEC and I never touch the Samsung remote and have no idea what’s in the Samsung menus anymore.

If I turn on the streaming box, the tv turns on, the input changes, and all I see is the streaming box UI. Same for the game console. CEC is fucking incredible and an underrated thing that doesn’t get the flowers it deserves. It just works.

Edit: imagine your TV is dumb monitor with a KVM. That’s what CEC feels like when it’s setup correctly.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 64 points 1 month ago (7 children)

This post deserves to be a Technology Connections video

[–] rarbg@lemmy.zip 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Oh my god he would have so much fun with CEC. What a wonderful and cursed protcol

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[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

CEC has little to do with this; it’s an app that’s installed not a button on the remote. The search button referenced can use copilot but it’s not necessary (ie you can use the default webOS search) nor is the button copilot branded.

CEC is awesome, it just doesn’t address the issue raised by putting copilot/other AI apps on the smart TV itself. For that you just disable the internet connection.

[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago

My point about CEC is that it doesn’t matter what silly crap they install on the TV. You won’t see the unremovable apps and ads if CEC will bypass that junk entirely.

A good CEC setup will kind of feel like your TV is a dumb monitor and there is a KVM that switches all the auto and video when you pick up a game controller or streaming box remote.

I never see my TV’s software and I never touch my TV’s remote.

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[–] victorz@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Yup. It's awesome.

When I turn on my Switch 2 with its remote, the TV starts with the Switch HDMI input. When I turn the TV off with the remote, the Switch 2 turns off. The Switch 1 did the same thing. Stuff like this is awesome.

My last TV's remote could even control playback on my Chromecast.

LG magic remote can't though for some reason. Disappointing.

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[–] peetabix@sh.itjust.works 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We need a custom replacement ROMs like Lineage or Graphene for smart TVs.

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[–] janewaydidnothingwrong@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Smart tv's are awful, doubly so since you cant get "dumb" tv's anymore. I just dont give my tv wifi access and that seems to pretty much mitigate all the bullshit.

[–] xvertigox@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I lament the day online access and accounts become a requirement.

Same. It was bad when gaming consoles did it and I see no reason why corps wouldnt do it

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

I Dont trust these TVs not to make peer to peer connections with others until it hops onto one with a active connection.

If I get a new TV, its getting opened and the wifi antennas and microphones are getting desoldered.

[–] galaxy_nova@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

All I want is a DisplayPort and maybe some os with freedom of Linux why is that too much to ask for. The fact I can’t have vrr with my $600 GPU is absolute bullshit

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 1 month ago (19 children)

I will need to replace my TV next year and I'm really not looking forward to it.

I will be hooking my two consoles (Series X and PS5), then all I need is something that I can put Emby and SmartTube on.

Are the Onn sticks still a good option?

[–] sun_is_ra@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if you could purchase a basic/dump TV with no features at all and buy raspberry pi separately, you could install Android on raspberry pi and connect the two together

[–] Pechente@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Not sure if it changed in the last year or so since I bought my tv but isn’t the issue that there are essentially no dumb tvs? The closest I could find were big monitors intended to be commercial public displays but they came with their own set of issues. In the end I bought a smart tv and I it’s quite bad.

[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's what my search keeps coming up with - commercial display models. I don't know enough about them to make a good decision, though. I guess I'll keep digging.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 1 month ago

Those displays are made to be very bright and usually have a lot of backlight bleed.

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[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I am still using a 2011 TV, but when it goes out it seems I'll have to switch to a big PC monitor to dodge all that bullshit.

I don't want a smart TV. I want a stupid screen, with just enough color settings to properly calibrate it. That's it.

[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

The thing with smart TVs is that you don’t need to connect them to your network to use them.

LG, unfortunately, still make the best OLED displays at the moment, and Samsung are arguably even worse when it comes to not respecting their customers.

Our C2 65in is hooked up to an Apple TV for all of our media streaming needs.

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[–] starblursd@lemmy.zip 15 points 1 month ago

This crap is why my LG TV lost its internet privileges last year and built a htpc to do all my media needs.

[–] NutWrench@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

The problem is, you can never trust companies whose products can update over the air. (like "smart TVs"). The company can promise all kinds of things they won't do and then sneak something awful into a future update. I will spend a little more on "non-smart / no WiFi" TVs in the future.

[–] Rooster326@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

How exactly?

They don't make no Wifi TVs. You can choose to not give it your Wifi Password.

And please don't say digital signage. That costs 10x what a TV does and the picture is significantly worse.

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[–] Arghblarg@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

We don't need/want a huge TV, so we just use a monitor with an external speaker and dedicated media box.

Smart TVs these days are just too invasive to even consider in my home.

[–] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

if you're using a dedicated media box anyway, a smart TV not connected to your network is basically the same as a dumb monitor.

[–] ada@piefed.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Exactly our setup.

[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

My webos keeps wanting to update to add AI shit and I keep saying no but it won't take that as a permanent answer, so every time it turns on it's required (and if I turn it on with my one and only button on the thing, it takes a while before the prompt goes away and requires remote input).

I'm looking into ways to jailbreak it or something, just family won't exactly let me do that randomly.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I routed my LGCX by simply going to a website kind of like how you could do that back in the day for iPhones but I don't think that's applicable anymore but people are definitely looking into hacking the fuck out of this television so there might be some jailbreak in the future for you

[–] naticus@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yeah that method doesn't work on newer firmware, but luckily there are newer methods (like dejavuln), and they keep things up to date on available methods and possible versions at https://cani.rootmy.tv/

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[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Next time I get a new TV, that sucker is getting opened and the wifi antennas and microphones desoldered.

[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

On Roku branded TVs, it sounds like that just means you can't use it for anything

If it doesn't connect, it won't let you switch inputs or anything until you connect your account

[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Every article like this makes me want to hug my 13-year-old Costco Sharp (is that brand still a thing?) TV that barely has apps and doesn't get butthurt when I don't do anything with them

[–] finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I feel that. I got a 50" 4k Sceptre from walmart maybe 4 or 5 years ago that has absolutely no smart features. They'll have to pry that out of my cold, dead hands before I consider 'upgrading' to a so-called smart tv.

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[–] Minimac@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 month ago

Copilot is trash

[–] Xyphius@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I've never owned a smart TV. I still don't see a point in owning one. Why in the world would someone need copilot on their TV?

[–] Tinks@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unfortunately it's getting hard to find dumb TVs. The only real options are pro-AV or digital signage displays but even a lot of those are now moving to being smart. Our 15 year old bedroom TV finally died last month and we ended up having to replace it, and we ultimately went with an LG. I've disabled it's wifi though. It's a frustrating situation. I wish one of the manufacturers with good displays would just offer a dumb line of TVs. I imagine they would still have a market even if they were higher cost to make up for the lack of ad revenue, but maybe I'm underestimating that revenue. Either way, avoiding smart TVs is getting extremely difficult these days.

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[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (8 children)

I would be so happy if I could just disable the "magic mouse" (IIRC that's what it's called). I once talked to support for an unrelated reason and asked how to do that; they said the only way was to enable on screen narration.

Any time throughout the conversation I asked why those two things were connected, they dodged or outright ignored the question.

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[–] Bosht@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As far as I'm concerned LG is a shithole company. I've gone through a TV, dishwasher, and fridge from them and all three had issues just outside warranty. That's not bad luck thats intentional shitty engineering. Fuck them.

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[–] mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I am genuinely curious, this whole thing is most likely an effort to sell more TVs, but does that actually work? Is there a significant segment of customers which buys TVs based on whether or not it has a (link to a) chatbot in it? Or did some exec just decide “our products need to have AI now” with 0 research done.

I would really like to see data on this.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Or did MS pay them to include it, knowing they could hoover up a lot of data, perhaps even with a clause in the contract to also share that data with LG?

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[–] vrek@programming.dev 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wait... While this is horrible... How did LG say anything in a January announcement when it's still December?

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Probably one of those pre-announcements. Or they had AI determine the announcement date.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

I already barely watch the TV I have, and it never goes online.

The Internet sucks now, and I've got shit to do. Gimme a reason to stop looking at screens. I fucking dare you.

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