In the wise words of Eyeballslicer:

In the wise words of Eyeballslicer:

Painfully true.
It's like backing the boxer who has already won the fight.
Don't forget hates every genocide except for the current one
Naaaasaah, many liberals don't give a shit about past genocides, even denying it
Cares about every genocide except for the real ones
Maduro is the democratically elected president of Venezuela. With 51% of the vote, compared to his opposition gaining 43%, the US Empire has tried to rely on manufacturing false evidence against Maduro so their compradors can gain power. Venezuelans didn't believe it, though, so the empire was forced to engage by force, bombing hospitals and murdering dozens of civilians in the process.
These lies undermining Maduro are the same claiming there is no genocide in Palestine, that socialism is scary and evil, that Trump won 2020, that Saddam had WMD. These lies are undermining a country that nationalized their oil industry, requiring foreign capital to only have a minority stake. For this sin of keeping Venezuelan wealth for Venezuelans, the empire kidnapped him.
Venezuelans are not stupid, though, nor are they willing to be colonized. The millitary and working classes both are aligned with the Bolivarian revolution. When the empire tries to establish a comprador regime, they will fail.
Viva Venezuela! Viva Maduro!
Has evidence on the vote tally stuff being fake come out? The whole thing is so plastered with imperialist propaganda it's hard to find anything trustworthy.
Nothing substantial so far, it's drenched in consent manufacturing.
Tbh any doubt I had in his legitimacy is lessened by the U.S abducting him. That demonstrates he's a legitimate problem for the U.S, which makes it more likely he's a legitimate boon for the people of his own country (doesn't confirm it, mind you)
I know it's not a good line of reasoning, but if you legitimately adopted this mindset you'd be correct 85-99% of the time.
The only "evidence" I've ever seen cited (by western media of course) was all stuff the US does on a larger scale: blocking candidates from ballots, closing/changing polling places at last minute, etc (can't remember the rest, it was too stupid to take seriously). I have however read several accounts that the elections were overseen by hundreds of world officials and has been repeatedly said to have been one of the most democratic elections ever.
Hmm, believe this or the US who has been meddling in South America for 70+ years? 🤷♂️
Liberals will go on and on about how any defense of the Venezuelan government marks you out as a "Tankie", then clap like seals as US tanks and helicopters obliterate homes, massacre civilians, and snatch people up as political extortion.
These are the same tactics used time and again by ICE Agents within the US's own borders. They're the tactics used abroad, to quell dissidents in The Philippines and Haiti and Gaza and Yemen. These are the actions of a fascist government for the purposes of genocide of native peoples, seizure of lands, and generating capitalist profits.
Anyone who endorses it has picked a side. Just a shame they can't have these decisions carved into their foreheads for all the world to remember.
I got called a tankie because I said you shouldn't just invade other countries over on Reddit.
Like tankie never really meant anything before but now it's the opposite. Being against tanks makes you a tankie at this point.
The western powers led by the US use tanks far more often also. The US never gets accused of being tankies, even tho it used tanks in almost every one of its wars, including the wars on Iraq, Panama, Grenada.
It also uses tanks domestically against the people (police in every city have tank-like vehicles). They also used tanks in the waco standoff also where they burned ~100 people alive.
Of course the US prefers bombing people from the sky, but that's not considered an atrocity by western chauvinists.
Always reminds me of this masterpiece quote:
First we must study how colonization works to decivilize the colonizer, to brutalize him in the true sense of the word, to degrade him, to awaken him to buried instincts, to covetousness, violence, race hatred, and moral relativism; and we must show that each time a head is cut off or an eye put out in Vietnam and in France they accept the fact, each time a little girl is raped and in France they accept the fact, each time a Madagascan is tortured and in France they accept the fact, civilization acquires another dead weight, a universal regression takes place, a gangrene sets in, a center of infection begins to spread; and that at the end of all these treaties that have been violated, all these lies that have been propagated, all these punitive expeditions that have been tolerated, all these prisoners who have been tied up and interrogated, all these patriots who have been tortured, at the end of all the racial pride that has been encouraged, all the boastfulness that has been displayed, a poison has been instilled into the veins of Europe and, slowly but surely, the continent proceeds toward savagery. And then one fine day the bourgeoisie is awakened by a terrific reverse shock: the gestapos are busy, the prisons fill up, the torturers around the racks invent, refine, discuss.
People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: “How strange! But never mind — it’s Nazism, it will pass!” And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth from themselves, that it is barbarism, but the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism that sums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were its victims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, it had been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism, that they are responsible for it.
— Aimé Césaire Discourse on Colonialism (Please read it, it's short)
I've seen a lot of liberals saying things along the lines of "but if we don't follow the rules based order it will set a bad precedent! What's stopping China now deciding to invade Taiwan on the justification that they don't like their government?"
Edit: oh fuck I didn't scroll down into the comments there's already one here


In my opinion liberals who agree fundamentally with deposing Maduro but claim to deeply disagree about the methods are not even temporarily taking the side of anti-imperialism, they're imperialists who want procedure, "by the book" imperialists.
At the risk of getting a bit speculative or subjective, I think they are basically bullshitting. They don't disagree with it enough to do shit, even participate in safe legal dissidence. Seriously, someone who would be okay with this if it wasn't "illegal", because the elite of the metropole agreed on devouring a given peripheral country, seems like one of the enemy. As opposed to the antizionist movement where liberal peaceniks can be good allies.
100% agreed. Ruling classes make laws to suit their interests, and law is opposed to morality and compassion in a lot of cases. US slavery was legal. South African and Israeli apartheid were/are legal. US torture camps like Guantanamo bay and Abu Ghraib are legal.
Even plea-bargaining in the US is a form of medieval-type coercion (confess your sins and we'll reduce your punishment), and is a pillar of their justice system.
Problem is, Maduro is a figurehead. He's not a mastermind. The regime will carry on without him. Nothing has been achieved by this kidnapping except a threat to Venezuela, and a message to China and Russia that this is how the world works now.
Edit: Also a lot of innocent or mostly innocent people have been murdered. Trump is a literal murderer.
a message to China and Russia that this is how the world works now.
It's not now though, it's how the US always did things regardless of the party currently in charge.
Maduro being a figurehead isn't a problem, it's a good thing. The alternative would be the destabilization of Venezuela and the coup by a Milei-like libertarian who would give every inch of Venezuelan soil to US corpos and destroy worker rights.
Maduro being a figurehead isn’t a problem, it’s a good thing.
If anything, it clearly shows he isn't the dictator US claims he is, so maybe it's time for the clueless to doubt rest of that mountain of bullshit spewed against him and Venezuela.
There's blue maga people, or at least person, who keeps saying Maduro was just extracted by Trump because they are friends... While completing ignoring the death and destruction if it let's them get one on trump
Was gonna say center should be don't care as long as congress approved but that only applies to the blue maga side
We should bet on how soon Trump is going to kidnap governors in blue states
May the US die in the 2nd civil war! 🙏
Here's hoping. Seems to be the one way (barring total economic collapse and the breakdown of payment systems) for gringos to get on with balkanizing themselves already.