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This could be huge for vehicle design as a whole.

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[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 63 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.

I have an electric dirtbike and a gas bike. My gas bike has an 11.1 L tank and can go about 360km per tank.

The highest actual range I’ve seen on an electric motorcycle is about 100km of mixed use (highway and city).

Solid state batteries have the potential capability of having almost double the power density as lithium ion. So approx 200-300km (maybe).

Pretty solid but doubling THAT is just dishonest and in no way going to happen. You’re claiming to have more power density than internal combustion. That’s just straight up dishonest.

[–] artyom@piefed.social 38 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's not The Verge. It's Verge Motorcycles. I know, it confused me too.

[–] dublet@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I think it’s irresponsible of the Verge to tout an electric motorcycle’s range as “up to 600km”. It’s absolute fantasy.

Reached 310.69km with 7% charge on the 20.2kWh battery remaining during a challenge in London.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2025/april/verge-electric-bike-distance-record/

It took 16 hours though, so that works out to around 19km/h or 12mph. 🐌

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes so even gaming this by driving very slowly, the range isn’t even close

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The 20kWh is the low end battery which they rate at 350km of range. The high end battery is 33kWh

[–] dublet@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yes, assuming a linear scaling, 33kWh would get you 506km with some percentage available.

[–] realitista@lemmus.org 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They did still have 7% left though. So more like 540km.. And it's actually 33.3 so we get another 1% which brings us to 545... with almost no degradation over time or from running from 100% to 0% or in hot or cold weather. So I'd still say pretty darn good.

[–] BussyCat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Adding the extra weight of the battery will reduce the range but more importantly going 12mph is not a way of rating a street legal vehicle… it’s like bragging about a laptop having a 30 day battery life when it’s in standby. Drag is a function of velocity squared which means that going at even 45mph you are experiencing 14x the drag and at 60mph it’s 25x the drag

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[–] realitista@lemmus.org 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It probably won't do that in anything less than perfect conditions, but it will still be far more than any other electricbike on the road today.

It is probably 3x that of classical Lithium Ion already. It's roughly double that of usual NMC batteries, and still a good 50% better than the absolute best NMC.

Combine that with no range degradation when consistently charging to 100% and discharging to 0%, no loss of capacity in hot or cold weather, and something like 20x the charge cycles of NMC/LiFePO4, and over the lifetime you will likely start seeing 4 or 5 times the capacity in later stages of vehicle ownerships

[–] bufalo1973@piefed.social 3 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's 600 km (in ideal conditions) <- this is the part they don't say.

[–] PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It doesn’t matter. It’s a lie. Ideal conditions and driving the bike at 19km/h achieves that. How many people are going to be driving a top speed of 19km/h on a bike? Their stats are physically impossible given the hardware they’re stating and are relying on people with little knowledge of real world range on electric motorcycles or charge density of solid state vs lion

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe you're not dreaming big enough on what makes ideal conditions. The fraudulent Nikola company managed to film a semi "driving" a few km without a powertrain, by just letting it roll downhill. I bet there's a place that has a high enough altitude and smooth enough roads for a long downhill descent where 600km on a 300km battery is possible.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Every manufacturer says your mileage may vary.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

It's a 33 kwhr battery, cars with that amount of storage get 250km.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

"up to" is dishonest to start. They claim on some of their models 600+ km range. It is city mileage though. Solid state batteries claim 400wh/kg, and may be replacing 180wh/kg batteries. That can mean more than 2.5x range city due to reduced weight. The highway mileage is much lower though.

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 35 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The rear wheel of the bike in the picture tells me all of this is completely fantasy.

[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

They have been trying to make the hubless wheel a futuristic thing for so long it’s technically retro now.

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The hubless wheel is on their current models. It's basically their signature differentiator.

There's reason to be skeptical of the company and its claims as a whole, but at least that particular feature has shipped and has been test driven by reviewers:

https://thepack.news/11000-km-in-2-months-marc-travels-rides-the-verge-ts-across-europe/

[–] curiousaur@reddthat.com 12 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Well thanks for correcting me, that is wild. I can't imagine it's actually pragmatic.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

There is no advantage to a hubless wheel.

[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure there is. There's a value to some people to look different. That translates to dollars.

There's not a Performance advantage to a hubless wheel.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Motorcycle buyers, especially sportbikes, don't take kindly to bullshit. Hubless wheels are heavy, have more wear components and are pointlessly complex. But pointless complexity is a requirement in EVs to justify the overprice.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

What is the point in a $37,000 bike with SS battery and 600km of range. ICE bikes get about 200km a tank. No one rides 600km a day on a naked sport bike. If the point of SS batteries is fast charging , then why carry around 33 KWhr of overpriced battery?

This is a bike designed by non motorcyclists and marketed on numbers. 1000nm instant torque? That's unrideable. 3.5 sec 0-60 is not fast for a motorcycle, so their math doesn't even make sense. It's just a bunch of numbers. 200kw charging? Who cares, and good luck finding a charger that will do that.

Every premium price EV bike company has gone broke.

[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I think the bike exists to sell the battery. I'm getting a strong feeling there is no intention for the bike to be profitable, but rather as a proof that what they're selling works by showcasing a real-world model that people can buy and drive.

With their plans to out-scale Tesla in battery manufacturing, it seems to me that they're hoping to capture deals with EV manufacturers.

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't worry, there's no way it'll do 600km outside of a perfect lab test. 200 km is more likely, maybe 300.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Your points are valid but those chargers are very common, probbaly the most common where I am. There are 400kw chargers cropping up too.

Also I would hope that the range is so high to allow for the inevitable failure to achieve the stated range.

But yeah everything else is laugh worthy

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[–] thejml@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Anyone have a non-video summary/article?

[–] rumba@piefed.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Pulled the CC data from downsub, asked AI to summarize, then reviewed the CC to make sure it was accurate.

It's mostly fluff centered around data about a couple of new packs and claimed ranges.

20 kWh Pack

  • Range: 350 km
  • Charging power: Up to 100 kW
  • Adds 200 km of range in 10 minutes

30 kWh Solid‑State Pack

  • Range: 600 km on a single charge
  • Charging power: Up to 200 kW
  • Adds 300 km of range in under 10 minutes

Claims to be largest motorcycle battery of its kind

SO they're decently large, can charge quickly, I'd be a bit surprised if they were getting those actual ranges in real-world scenarios.

[–] PoorYorick@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They are also 38,000 euro for the base model bike.

[–] rainwall@piefed.social 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

That is wildly expensive for a emotercycle, but maybe not if they are legitimate solid state.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

Why pay for a fast charging bike AND a huge battery. If it had a 10kwhr battery, it would get the range of most ICE bikes and charge in 4 minutes. It's just stupid.

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I'll belive it when a lab has verified the batteries are actually solid state. The CEO appears to be a grifter and they had no battery prototypes on hand at CES? Smells awfully like a scam.

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 10 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

But do they make loud wroom wroom noises? If not half of motorcyclists will not be interested.

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[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Doesn't need both fast charging and huge range. Knock $10k off the price for half the range is a much more appealing product. Battery tech in a much lighter sub 2000w ebike/powerstation is a much bigger win, as this is still 600lbs afaiu.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago
[–] Late-Boomer-57@piefed.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Arwe there any non-"solid state" battery for motorcycles? What is the generation principle?

[–] robolemmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In the context of lithium-ion batteries, "solid state" means that there's no liquid electrolyte, rather than meaning there are no moving parts.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago
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