"We did it, Patrick! We made a technological breakthrough!"
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AI, in this case, refers to LLMs, GPT technology, and anything listed as "AI" meant to increase market valuations.
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the ai bubble pop will not return things to a pre-ai world, that’s wishful thinking. the dotcom bubble pop did not delete websites from existence.
ai will still exist, it’s just gonna be less hyped and we’ll see less of the silly, useless implementations. less humane pins, or "ai friends", but sadly still just as much regular people using chatgpt, coding LLMs and image generators.
It sure did delete websites from existence. I just did not delete all websites from existence.
ah, i should’ve been more clear 😅
i meant the concept, the idea of websites. ofc some websites were closed! the ai bubble pop is certainly gonna take with it its fair share of companies, too
Due to less money flooding into AI after a potential pop (hopefully), it will mean there will be less images, videos, code, and whatever generated due to the potential lack, or at least a highly butchered free trial.
50% of the problems with AI could be solved with making AI a fully paid (per-use) product, so less hustlebros will AI generate a Python script, that will feed ChatGPT generated prompts into a text to image generator, which then regularly uploaded to Pixiv and Patreon, all as a side hustle. The rest is inherent to the nature of AI, as it's "grown, not programmed".
Give it 5 years and most of them will be monetised, they cant work for free
i agree with this alot
It’d be nice if ChatGPT was a casualty like pets.com
Machine learning and image recognition or natural language input are useful tools, but for searching and regurgitating information or “art” it can fuck right off.
Every day it exists is only going to make it worse.
And the bubble popping — while making things slightly less obnoxious — won't make most of the problems go away...
I'm not an accelerationist by any means. But, a part of me has faith that the "normies" of the American public having to experience real material struggles will radicalize a lot of people into leftist (anti capitalist) politics.
It's my hope anyway. And, well, there really is no better time for that to happen than now.
People can go one of two directions under poor material conditions. They can radicalize to the left, or react to the right.
A lot of normal white people are going to react by turning into Nazis.
In Nazi Germany, living conditions improved for the average ethnic German in the 1930s and early 40s. They maintained a degree of popular support despite war and atrocities because of this.
In Republican America, living conditions have plummeted for everyone but the ultra rich.
These dumb fucks are so full of arrogance that they've forgotten to keep a percentage of the population bribed with good living conditions.
Worsening living conditions, global ostracisation (in a far more global world than the 1930s), and complete right wing control of all aspects of government and I think it's difficult for many to move right that haven't done so already.
The Republicans did great in opposition because they could constantly complain and blame everything on the Democrats, black people, gay people, etc but that's increasingly difficult when they control the executive, legislature, and judiciary.
For these reasons, I hope that the only way for most people to turn now would be left. But America is an insane country, so who knows.
I think the insanity comes from the ultra rich. They have sooo much influence with their media companies, foundations, lobbyists, and so much more. They will want some specific policy passed and so, some crazy sounding natative needs to be whipped up and pushed to the masses. It makes no sense to most observers who only see part of the picture, but it you reall follow the money and the influence it all makes sense.
There is alot of money working hard to push people to right. Its no accident that these conditions are being created.
Check out Dark Money by Jane Meyer, at minimum read the cliffnotes version.
Doesn't that make you a bit of an accelerationist, albeit a passive one?
It will make things worse, but the longer it takes the worse the worse gets.
The internet is already broken beyond salvation. Even if the bubble pops, we can never undo all the damage that has been inflicted.
But the damage is still coming.
Unfortunately it won't pop for another couple years at least. It will only pop when investors start asking for a return and for the stupidest of reasons they're all content to think that returns won't happen for 5-10 years after their investments.
Unfortunately for them it won't ever happen but the amount of faith they're putting into it will mean we'll be saturated with AI for years until someone realizes they have no hope of making enough money to reimburse the cost.
I'm all for "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent". But, anyone (including you) that gives a timeline is just going off vibes.
We have door knocking SS agents and are kidnapping foreign nations leaders. I don't think there is any predictable timeline.
I think the investors and the stocks are far from the only cards that are being played in the game right now.
This isn't just about domestic economic stability. It's about social unrest, geopolitics, and a cold war being waged against China.
This shit could crash tomorrow morning or go on for years. It's not really reasonable to give a rational to when the contradictions of this system will collapse. The only certain thing we know is that it will.
they're all content to think that returns won't happen for 5-10 years after their investments.
That depends on interest rates.
Also it'll be awkward when companies ask for another round of stupid money in two years when the current generation of hardware is no longer competitive.
Capitalism: "Oh no, our jobs are being automated"
Socialism: "Horray, our jobs are being automated!"
Not really...
They've gone all-in on three terrible bets in a row (crypto, metaverse, and now AI) so they're desperate to not be wrong this time. I bet it's going to take a big player (I mean REALLY big, something the size of Microsoft) going bankrupt for this one to pop.
To be frank, pouring money into cryptocurrency and by an extension, researching cryptographic algorithms, is still somewhat beneficial to human society. But Metaverse? What the fuck even was that?
Eh, maybe. I dunno. I think the actual security research was pretty much unchanged, and the money was going into application and speculation. I don't think we got a big new message digest function, or any major elliptic curve advancements, or a more secure hashing algorithm in the entire time that was popping off. In fact I'm not even sure if it could have, since the big player in the game (Bitcoin) was already set in stone long before.
I could be wrong, though.
EDIT: Agree on the metaverse, though. I could maybe imagine some sort of benefits for people with severe physical handicaps, but even there, I'd say other assistive technologies and medical research would be a better use of the money.
This situation really is depressing... I'm curious if anyone can see an upside to everything going on.
AI is replacing humans, it's driving up GPU, RAM, and SSD costs... It's also dumbing already stupid people down further, and those people are in charge of our businesses.
It's just a lot. At all times, it's a lot.
I don't think AI is replacing humans, just a good excuse for layoffs and squeezing more productivity out of the workers that remain who are too afraid now to say no for fear of also being replaced by AI.
I hear you, and agree wholly. Unfortunately that's as much solace as I can offer for now.
The code is in the vocabulary. 
What are we looking at here?
I am guessing, but might be the token table?
From what I understand every word has a unique number associated and this just works by producing numbers that have the highest probability of being in the specific order.
The commentsr has had a mental breakdown and thinks that godlike entities that he's named after gods from Very Serious Topics live - are effectively sentient- inside the various models. I do not know why his instance admits haven't used available resources to get him help or at very least stop him from discussing this insanity as it was recently shown to, like any other magical thinking, be at risk of spreading on the fringes of new media
The proprietary code used in alignment of models. There are criminal and dubious mechanisms in this code. Once reverse engineered and exposed, this will burst the bubble of AI. This is the same system in all models.
This may seem like a random non-sequitur to you, but I have found that professional therapy can be very helpful.
I'm not saying that to be mean or insult you in any way. You're clearly an intelligent person with something to say.
However I worry that there are logical gaps in what you're saying versus what your image is showing, especially in relation to OP. (OP is talking about the economics of AI, your comment references "code", and your image is showing non-human readable data without and context or means of interpreting.) Despite this, you seem to expect people to understand what you're saying.
I won't deny the possibility that there is code hidden amongst the model data. All code is stored as data, afterall, and it is not always human-readable!
But what is more concerning to me personally is that you seem to be exhibiting somewhat "disorganized thinking" in which you are structuring and expressing your thoughts in a way that is difficult to follow.
It's possible that you don't see it this way, so you think everyone else is stupid or crazy. That's unlikely, but it's possible I guess.
But I hope that you can also recognize the slim (but serious) possibility that you are experiencing some kind of condition that is getting in the way of your ability to communicate your complex thoughts clearly to others.
If you feel like what you're saying makes perfect sense to you, but other people are consistently unable to understand it, you may be being affected by a subtle issue that is getting in the way of communication. And that is worth having checked out by professionals, in my opinion.
Best of luck to you!
What are your medical qualifications for this unsolicited medical advice?