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[–] blackbelt352@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Penn Gilette has always seemed to be driven by a level of honesty and compassion and valued the freedom to choose where to direct that compassion. I think earlier on he viewed other libertarians as having the same level of honest compassion as he does but over time it's become more and more clear that libertarians are overwhelmingly selfish rich white guys who don't want to be called Repuiblicans.

I mean in the early 2000s he was calling bullshit on the hysteria over the vaccine autism link saying the alternative of kids dying to preventable diseases is so much worse. He even gave the tenuous link a benefit of the doubt and accepted that even if they did cause autism,t he alternative is so much worse.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There aren't many people who are willing to evaluate their entire political decisions and come to the conclusion that they were wrong. Even fewer who will admit it publicly. Even fewer still who will accept responsibility and then do something about it.

Of the people I have respectfully disagreed with, the fact that he's come around is a huge testament to his willingness to be humbled and corrected.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There aren't many people who are willing to evaluate their entire political decisions and come to the conclusion that they were wrong

I doubt that his ideology actually changed much, but instead he just realized that the Libertarian Party didn't actually match it like they claimed to do.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The New Hampshire libertarians went full tea party and dragged the rest down with them. I never expected to see anti LGBT rhetoric from a party that enshrined gay rights in their charter way back in 1972, at a time when the Democrats and Republicans were holding hands and chanting "God hates fags" in unison

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah I remember when libertarians were "I want a good old fashioned mom and mom Marijuana farm where they defend it with machine guns if they so choose". And back then my beef with them was climate change requires everyone to work in tandem and is an existential threat. These days, libertarians are Republicans who know to be ashamed to call themselves that

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 months ago

I never thought they were a viable option for taking one of the two main party slots, but I thought they had some good things to say and their voice should be heard. Now they're just part of the far right noise machine.

DAE DEI IS BAD????

No, LPNH, no I don't.

[–] AnAmericanPotato@programming.dev 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

he viewed other libertarians as having the same level of honest compassion as he does but over time it’s become more and more clear that libertarians are overwhelmingly selfish rich white guys who don’t want to be called Repuiblicans

I had a similar progression myself when I was in my teens, maybe even early 20s.

The basic principle of libertarianism is appealing: mind your own damn business and I'll mind mine. And I still agree with that in general — it's just that a single generality does not make a complete worldview. It took me a while to realize how common it is for self-identifying libertarians to lack any capacity for nuance. The natural extreme of "libertarianism" is just anarchy and feudalism.

In a sane world, I might still call myself a libertarian. In a sane world, that might mean letting people live their own damn lives, not throwing them to the wolves (or more literally, bears ) and dismantling the government entirely.

I'm all for minding my own business, but I also acknowledge that maintaining a functional society is everybody's business (as much as I occasionally wish I could opt out and go live in a cave).

[–] F_State@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago

The natural extreme of “libertarianism” is just anarchy

Whoa whoa whoa, Anarchy is philosophy of non-hierarchical community-based cooperation. It's on the entire other end of the political spectrum.